[Echo-chan713]

Originally Posted by Yokuutsu

@Echo
Well, I can understand your mother flipping out on her. I might've too if I had been the mother. Though that probably didn't help her any .-.

At 17...and living with her boyfriend? Am I the only one who watches Steve Wilkos? Hopefully she learned from it though.

actually she did, he help my sister get an abortion. then two years later my sister got pregnant again from a different guy she met while they were high on pot.

My dad thinks that my life is a micron away from a Jerry Springer episode.

[Yokuutsu]

I don't blame your dad. Your sister is almost a Jerry Springer episode. Now if you just date the same guy, we've definitely have an episode. (I'm halfway joking btw)

[Echo-chan713]

I don't even want to date them because their so stupid and don't know how to use a condom

[Yokuutsu]

Good. Condoms, birth control, spermicide, etc are your friends :3

Unless you want a baby.

[femme gauche]

Yeah though people can be stupid and get them for what seem to be silly reasons I think abortions should still be allowed whatever the reason in early term pregnancies ... later on I would think the main reasons would be related to the health of the fetus or safety of the mother...

[Yokuutsu]

See, the only reason I am against that is due to other laws. Either the fetus isn't a person and doesn't count in ALL circumstances or NONE.

If you kill a pregnant lady, it's counted as two murders, so why shouldn't an abortion be counted as murder? So something needs to be changed. Either abortion is murder too...or killing a pregnant lady is only one murder.

[Echo-chan713]

Originally Posted by Yokuutsu

Good. Condoms, birth control, spermicide, etc are your friends :3

Unless you want a baby.

it made me laugh when she said that condoms break easily XD

I use condoms and I've never once had it break.

[Yokuutsu]

Apparently they were using shitty or too small condoms.

[Echo-chan713]

I think the latter cause I can't really find shitty condoms.

Or doesn't apply it properly

[femme gauche]

Originally Posted by Yokuutsu

See, the only reason I am against that is due to other laws. Either the fetus isn't a person and doesn't count in ALL circumstances or NONE.

If you kill a pregnant lady, it's counted as two murders, so why shouldn't an abortion be counted as murder? So something needs to be changed. Either abortion is murder too...or killing a pregnant lady is only one murder.

Well I think it should be up to the pregnant lady, and it should make a difference in the murder count whether she was "showing" or not. In other words if I am pregnant it is up to me how I count the fetus.

[Echo-chan713]

or even the crime rates would go down if abortion is legal. So that way there aren't as much unwanted babies in the world so it can help with the 7 billion people population.

[femme gauche]

Well yes there is that, although legality and social acceptance are two different things. Still, it is something that went unregulated that people did for centuries prior to being banned and regulated, and there were many herbs, etc., which people used among other things. People do NOT need to have babies all the time. It is self destructive of us as a species to continue to reproduce at our current rates.

[Echo-chan713]

as well as it can affect the female body if they are continuously reproducing, especially the strain on the vagina

[Yokuutsu]

I'm not commenting on whether abortion should be legal or not, but if a woman can kill the fetus inside of her with no legal repurcussions...then a man should be able to kill a pregnant woman without being charged for two murders.

I'm saying things need to be equaled out. Either killing the fetus is murder in all situations....or none.

And it can also affect the human body to have abortion after abortion.

[Obbiesan]

*facefloors* can I punch my grandmother

[Echo-chan713]

my question with the law is would the mother get charged for mother if she miscarried the baby or had to abort it because the pregnancy could kill the mom?

Why do you want to punch your grandma Brother?