[Nightmare]

Tyler, I agree with Ginger. You do sound kind of rude. ;;
You have yet to understand that when you grow up you actually have to spend
money on real things - a house, a car, college. All of that money could be
gone the moment you get it. Right now we don't have to deal with those things
because we have to ask our parents for money. That money that you wanted to
use to donate to the site is gone. What are you going to do then ?

You're not seeing it from the other side of this. You're focusing on what
you believe should be done. I don't want to be dragged away from
Trisphee because items are becoming 1Ok for one item for that month.
This isn't gaia. New and amazing items that come out shouldn't be like the
rigs on gaia that cost 1mil or 5OOk. But if people start ruling the market
place with their prices, then I will leave.
And I love this site too much to leave.

And by the way - we speak or very little of this when we see each other.

[Sushi]

Well.... This is no good. D:

[Rem]

The question is though, are there enough people buying for higher prices to worry that it's really going to influence prices across the board? I admit I don't go to the Exchange much, but it seems to me that it's a very small percentage of users that have enough disposable income to pay whatever they want for an item.

It's like--
Say there's five people selling 20 runes. Buyer wants runes RIGHT NOW and goes to Seller 5 and offers 5k for all 20. Seller 5 agrees. Now on other sites, you would see perhaps Seller 1-4 immediately upping their rune prices. But Trisphee is small and there aren't all -that- many people using the exchange anyway. I think if Seller 1-4 then went 'Okay it's 5k for my 20 runes' they would not get any sales. Then after a bit, they'd have to drop prices back down to reasonable.

(Runes might be a bad example because they're rare, but I think it'd work the same with an item. Five sellers are selling the same item, random Buyer buys from one for very high price, I think the other four - considering this site's size and userbase - would be pretty stupid to be like Oh okay that ONE guy paid 20k for this, so everybody has to now)

They wouldn't sell anything.
This might be a concern once the site gets more active, definitely. But right now I don't think it's something to really worry about?

[Sadrain]

I just think most people want to have at least one if each monthly. And that's, soon to be 12,5k per month. WHY I should having that goal? Only because some people want to pay more? That's not really fair. Then trade between those who have the insane arum amounts and leave general sales alone.

Sure, I would get my aurum, if there wasn't such a HUGE supply of event items and someone bought them, even if underpriced. And I can't sell any earlier monthlies because the cost was already high enough for me to not be able afford any EXTRAS.

At rem: the thing is, fotne there is jsut ONEEE seller at time. And if they get offers/chanses at such sales, no way they will accept lower offer.

[Coda]

Giving an offer higher than the asking price is, as Lucid has brought up repeatedly, NOT something you should be doing when someone is SELLING something. If the seller wants the price to be open-ended to sell to the highest bidder, then it needs to be an auction and there needs to be a definitive end date for the auction.

If the buyer is choosing to spend a higher price rather than shopping around for the lowest price, that's really screwing with market pressures.

[Hermes]

I tend to only pay what I consider to be the base price XD Although, I do SELL rather low.

[Rem]

Originally Posted by Coda

Giving an offer higher than the asking price is, as Lucid has brought up repeatedly, NOT something you should be doing when someone is SELLING something. If the seller wants the price to be open-ended to sell to the highest bidder, then it needs to be an auction and there needs to be a definitive end date for the auction.

If the buyer is choosing to spend a higher price rather than shopping around for the lowest price, that's really screwing with market pressures.

Oh! Okay THAT makes complete sense.
I'm sorry that was my bad. I so rarely visit the marketplace that when I think of selling threads, I almost ALWAYS think of the threads where people are like 'make an offer' and then someone's like '3k' and they're like 'nope too low'
But those aren't selling threads, are they?

I've seen threads like that, that call themselves selling threads, and then someone will quote a price that's in direct line with what you see in a price guide, but the seller will still be like 'nah' and then someone will quote a price that's like over the highest in the guide and only then will they sell.

But that's still like, not a selling thread, tho, is it? That's still kind of like an auction thread. Cos if you don't take the market/price guide price, you are auctioning to the highest bidder no matter what you call it, even if they offer only like 1k over what's standard, that's still a bid, not a buy.

I honestly just now realized that, my brain just clicked into place.

edit: are the differences between set price selling threads and open price auction threads set out in black and white in the Exchange rules? Because if this was the first site that said 'okay if you don't have set prices for the items you're selling, you're auctioning, and you have to have a start and end date' I think that would be really awesome. I mean those kind of threads are why I don't Exchange at all, you never know what someone wants or what they're going to take.

[Coda]

That's something Lucid said she's going to be refining.

[Lucid:]

I should probably add it to the official Merchant Square rules for the people who don't read this thread.

Edit;; Merchant Square rules have been adjusted. They're awesome. You should check 'em out.

[Ashley]

Hm, what if you're taking offers on things? Because that's different than auctioning and selling.

[Coda]

I'm not completely sure. Taking offers is... kinda weird, if you ask me. It's like an auction with an unknown reserve price (possibly even unknown to the seller), no starting bid, and ends as soon as someone places a bid that exceeds the reserve.

I'd basically say that someone offering considerably above market value in a "taking offers" thread is... well, foolish, really... but there's no reason it wouldn't be ALLOWED.

[Ashley]

Yeah, taking offers is all about unknowns really. I mean sometimes the seller is taking offers because they don't even know if they want to sell it for sure.

[Echo-chan713]

I've never do the taking offers because I don't know how much they are asking in contrast on how much I want to pay. When there's something that i like and they say taking offer I usually offer it 10% lower and some people do actually take it

[Nightmare]

I take offers, but it's only because I have no idea what to price it.
Then when I get an offer, I sell it to that person for lower.
But that's just because I'm silly like that. x n x

[Echo-chan713]

Their are price guides Night mare so you can give it a price guide baseline, such as if an item costs 2.5k in the price guide you can price it 3k if you want because it's in a short range or you can price it 2k. I usually put it in a range between 500 au below to 500 aurum above the guided price. If it's lower than the actual guide more power and people to you. If you got a buyer that's willing to pay 3k for a 2.5 item, hey a 500 au profit to you, that's always sweet.

As long as its not ridiculious like 6k for a 2.5k item BI I hate that. I've seen those and I'm like "really?! Good luck with that."

Even though I have 83k aurums doesn't mean I want to get more richer I like to be treated like everyone else. Even rich trisphites what to save as well so when a shopping spree comes along we can splurge on it. Which for me I rarely shop unless its something that I really need not because of trends. XD

[Nightmare]

Well, most of the time I just do it to see what someone is willing to offer.
I always go lower, though, just because I never want someone to pay too much.
I find it to be rude when I make someone pay a stupid amount for an item.