[Poggio]

@Rose: xD we had an All for one thing in my house that way we all learned from each other mistakes.

Yeah but you don't have to use the belt or paddle or switch to be effective, Cron. And corpral punishment is not for children. I would like to note that corpral punishment is not legal in all states and viewed as child abuse in all of them except the south. The south which I might add that had slaves.

[Cronislee]

We all have our different views on things and no one has to agree on anything, but you cant simplify something into one category.

[Rosekitten]

Poggio - i was a single child or else i think my grandma would have done the same thing lol...

[Mirror Gardens]

Since violence is still very prevalent in this world, I'd have to disagree. Since if violence teaches proper behavior, then violence should have been dimishished by now. Since it is not...and is in fact growing in most cases, I cannot agree that any sort of violence has helped humanity.

[Duchess]

it works cause it plays on a simple factor.

You stick your hand in fire...you get burnt. Thus, you don't do it again for fear of getting burnt. That's the force behind physical punishment.

And as i said, she steals OTHERS stuff and break them as well as her own.

My mother recently bought something for herself... within 24 hours... it was taken without her permission by my sister AND BROKEN....

How do you punish that? no money? no computer? what? none of it works... she STILL purposely chops up her books with scissors and loses all the school supplies.

[Rosekitten]

i would have to agree thatit probably is the parents fault when we have gangs or children selling drugs or shooting one another, there are ways to teach your kid such things are wrong and that violence isn't the answer and still maintain being the adult in the relationship

if it wasn't for my grandparents lord knows how id turn out cause my mom acted like we were friends she was never a mom.

[Poggio]

@ Rose: yeah XD and it also taught us the value of snitching but since most of it was done by my brother, my parents soon was able to tell when he was lying. I think that we kinda grew out of our bad behaviors after a while. It just takes time, you can't expect a kid to understand that until they are ready to .

@ Duchess: I only say it doesnt work because I am using my family versus my cousins family for example.My father used violent methods towards us as children until DSS came and threatened to take us away. Now I think because of those time when we were little my sister is a very violent person and she can't keep a job because she always ends up in a fight over the littlest things. She's been to anger management and they have told her its all the rage from not being able to fight back as a child. Where as my cousin is a used to be a spoiled brat but she is growing out of it. Her parents simply took her things away, explaining why she did wrong and how she isn't to do it again. She also has the responsibility of taking care of her little sister. Which in a small way made her realize the world isn't about her.

[Cronislee]

Its interesting to take a look at the diverse views of things in this group

[Mirror Gardens]

Duchess, try thinking more objectively. I understand your point. Most us us tend to have violent family memebers ( I know, trust me.) But look at it this way. Are you going to sit there and force a person's hand into the fire and force them to learn that it burns? No you let them learn for themselves, otherwise they might become angry more with you for shoving their hand in the fire.

[Rosekitten]

Duchess - again it sounds like your parents are not handling your sister correctly =/ you turned out fine and your from the same genes and if theres nothing mentally wrong with your siblings then it's on the parents shoulders to teach right from wrong. How do you punish it? stop buying her stop tap her once in a while (tap spank whatever you want to call/use) im not saying beat the daylighs out of her but something should be done to show her she is not the adult in the house and that she did something that was wrong/

[Cronislee]

I dont see your point mirror, Sorry. What your suggesting is not akin to what Duchess has said. Also, you cant assume that because a parent has a good kid, and a bad kid, that they some how screwed up on the bad kid. If someone is spoiled or babied, then they can grow up to be spoiled. If you do not teach them respect, they will not learn respect, and once you pass a certain period of time, simply teaching respect will not result in learning respect, which is where corpral punishment comes in. You need to remember punishment is not equal to violence.

[Mirror Gardens]

If the parent is not at fault Cron, and something is still wrong with the child, physical punishment is probably not going to help. The child needs professional help not punishment.

[Duchess]

nope =]

I don't have any FULL siblings |D I'm an only child.. they are both my half-siblings >_>

By saying "force hand into fire", you are suggesting that her parents are forcing her to steal... no one is forcing her hand into the fire... she's putting it there herself..

also.. by stating to allow her to find out herself... do you suggest we wait until she gets older and the police arrests her for stealing more stuff?? or for vandalizing other properties?

I am VERY objective... in fact.. I'm too objective. I don't care emotionally enough for people *shrugs* sue me. If it were any other child... i'd beat the shit out of them the same =__=

I can't tolerate nonsense.. from ANYONE... Heck.. i frequently scold my OWN PARENTS as if they were unrelated to me -.-

[Cronislee]

Then we can agree to disagree, because a psychologist isnt a babysitter.
Like I've said I've seen the end results of almost every example above.

[Duchess]

I do believe that she is spoilt due to the fact that my parent frequently told me "she's just a child" in response to her wrong doings a few years aback...

Basically she was younger... and I was older.. so I took the fall.. ALL. THE. TIME.. i should know better.. and she's still learning *rolls eyes*

Now it's too late... She thinks that I somehow still should be responsible for her bad deeds... and she frequently starts her rebuttals with "But she did-" ugh.. so dumb... I don't even talk to her anymore =____=

[Poggio]

@ Duchess, I think your sister needs to be tested honestly or see a psychologist if shes this bad. Punishing her might only cause her to lash out more.