[Cronislee]

Originally Posted by Poggio

Yes, totally works, until some one calls child protective services and tries to take you away from your parents. Also using the switch only teaches Terror not obedience. If you want the next generation of children to be a bunch of masochist by all means beat them senseless cron.

Then why is concidered far more ethical than either a belt or paddle.

[Poggio]

>< I am not breeding, or adopting, mostly I will be spoiling my friends offspring.
Cron a Switch hurts more, its basically a whip. Its more desecrate but that doesn't change the fact that it still hurts more. It might be more 'ethical' only because it leaves scrapes instead of bruises. But all in all I would rather have a bruise then 1000 paper cuts.

[Mirror Gardens]

Agreed. Beating a child will very likely just make things worse. Children should be taught to respect, not to fear. fear can lead to too many psychological disorders...which this world has enough of right now. And Cron, have you ever been stuck by a switch?

[Cronislee]

Actally a belt does much more damage, which is why using a belt is concidered child abuse in several states. Down here the switch is much more prevalent, especially with black families, because of the fact that it does minimal harm to the child while still hurting. If it was some horrible punishment, then it would not be legal.

And yeah.

[Poggio]

Honestly it doesn't matter what statistics say, it matters how its welded. Belts, Paddles and Switches all leave scars. Cron, hitting a child regardless is like letting that child stick its hand in fire. It just knows it hurts it doesn't understand why.

[Mirror Gardens]

Minimal physical harm maybe. And that could be more dangerous. More convienient for sadistic parents who like to beat their children without much physical evidence. Not always the case, but still a possibility to consider.

[Cronislee]

Actually no. If it does, then its called child abuse. The goal is to teach a child to behave, not to break the skin.

[Cronislee]

Originally Posted by Mirror Gardens

Minimal physical harm maybe. And that could be more dangerous. More convienient for sadistic parents who like to beat their children without much physical evidence. Not always the case, but still a possibility to consider.

Lol, then the majority of Blacks in the south are sadists.

[Rosekitten]

shouldn't a parent be able to teach a child without beating them? I mean if its the 5th or whatever time and they know it's wrong then yes a stricter punishment is needed aside from grounding or taking whatever object they like away or how ever other form you desire to try and teach them right from wrong.

[Mirror Gardens]

Violence does not teach respect as Poggio said, it breeds fear. And fear often leads to more violence. Violence= violence.

[Duchess]

pfft.. I've never been scarred. If you scar your child... you're doing it wrong.

And I always tell those anti harm people to go try a discipline MY sister and brother...

Within a few hours they are screaming in frustration. The child literally has NO SENSE of remorse, respect or anything other than pure selfishness.

You take something... they'll just STEAL it and break something else. and.. they will LIE about it as well. Time outs? They have no respect for you, remember? They'll just walk out of the corner/room/chair. Banning them from an activity? Yeh, they'll cry for a while.... then destroy other thing until the ban is over.

Come now.. find me something better than that *rolls eyes*

[Cronislee]

Yeah, but not all children will care if they get grounded. I've known people who never had to punish their child in their life, and I've known people who used switches on their kids if they did something really bad and their kid turned out just fine. Maybe things are viewed different in the north than down here, but thats just the way things are.

[Poggio]

Originally Posted by Cronislee

Lol, then the majority of Blacks in the south are sadists.

Not Sadist, just working on outdated modes of behavioral ideals. Alot of african Americans parents in the south come from their parents methods of dealing with behavior, along with a strong christian moral center. When you look at todays children a lot of them due to the fact that parents might not have time, or don't believe in christ, anymore don't have that moral center. They are also influenced by Media. It is more or less the same with Caucasian children, except that they test out other theories as to how to deal with behavioral problems. African Americans, will most likely go for what is immediate and what their parents did to them because they think its effective, while most likely harboring some mental illness that has effected them their entire life.

[Rosekitten]

Duchess - well for starters your brother and sister aren't mine so punishing them isn't my job sounds like your parents failed at doing their job of teaching the buggers to respect those around them and if a kid of mine broke stuff on purpose i'd just stop getting them things simple solution they break things of others they might get a good smack or something. I'm not against beating IF it's 100% needed I think theres a few other ways to try and teach your kid or make them listen without going right to beatings

like i said I got in trouble as a kid and was raised by my grandmother she never touched me my whole life but i knew what i was allowed to do and what I wasn't allowed to do and respected her rule over the house.

[Mirror Gardens]

Why is it people always focus on punishment? If a child is reared right from the beginning there will be no issues. If a child becomes a tyrant it is the parents fault, so why are they not the one at the end of the switch? (speaking metaphoroically of course.) And do not get me wrong, there are always acceptions to every rule. When looking at things like this you have to look at it objectively, NOT personally.
Also, Cron, I live in the South.

[Cronislee]

And yet corpral punishment does work. Why else do you spank a child for misbehaving, such as biting others, so on and so forth.