[Demonskid]

Wether people look up the information or not, if the info was released prior to the film it's not a spoiler o3o,

I once was telling a friend about an anime, and so not to give her spoilers I just copied the summery and put it in quote tags.. they still considered what was in there spoilers even though it was the official summery o3o,

What people consider spoilers and what people don't will always be different.

That's all I'm going to say, and I'll be requesting if you guys could take the 'discussion' to PMs cause it looks like an argument from here ^^,

now onto the topic, I want to see the movie but I don't.. I'll wait for a while before watching it.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Salone

I'm glad they brought back old plot devices and twists. Rey's looking up to Han Solo as a mentor was a wonderful homage to Luke's respect for Obi Wan Kenobi. You also have to remember that the original trilogy came out over 30 years ago. Not to mention the reversal of certain things. Kylo's struggling with the Light side of the Force calling to him is a wonderful throwback to Luke's own struggle with the Dark side. And like how Luke was able to throw it off, so was Kylo. I'm glad we finally have an 'evil' character who had his chance to be redeemed and did not take it.

Also, the usage of the Force was done much better. It's taken much more seriously when people aren't leaping around and flying everywhere. I would say that 7 has a definite chance of being the best out of all seven movies so far.

Kylo's chance at redemption was very predictable, everyone saw it coming. Hell the moment I saw them walk into the small portion of that room I instantly knew this was coming up and going to happen the way it did.

But like I said this is a great movie for people who haven't seen any of the other movies because of the pandering. But I thought just taking those comparisons but in reverse was just a cheap tactic to ensure a film's quality rather then coming up with something new that would of had the same effect. And seeing how the first half was, they we're more then capable of doing that.

And the usage of The Force was great. No mention of midi-chlorians anywhere to be mention! Bravo, let's just ignore that they ever existed. And delving into the power of visions was the best. We've seen visions before but not in the way demonstrated, the way it was used in the film was well executed and the special effects just shows how great the technology has become over the years. By far the best use of the Force.

[trystan830]

i don't know any spoilers. i might see the movie either december 24 or 26.

that said, if you see what book i'm reading (in my sig) i know the movie is totally not the EU (extended universe). and i've been reading the forward timeline EU since 2011. i choose to believe that what's been published before Disney decided that most of the EU is the alternate timeline is still the EU, and it's the movie that's the alternate timeline.

[Tohopekaliga]

Movie definitely ignores the EU books. :P


I watched it today! Was very good. I enjoyed all of it. Some things were predictable, but that's okay. Doesn't make it bad.

[trystan830]

oh yes, i do know the movie ignores the books. in fact, now canon ignores the books. *sigh*

which is why i'm going to think of the movie as the alternate timeline. ;)

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Tohopekaliga

Movie definitely ignores the EU books. :P


I watched it today! Was very good. I enjoyed all of it. Some things were predictable, but that's okay. Doesn't make it bad.

It wasn't bad at all. But it was very cheap.

[trystan830]

Originally Posted by Illusion

But it was very cheap.

that's another notch in the 'do i really want to see it?' side for me.... :( (along with 'it has nothing at all to do with the books' and 'the books are now the alternate 'verse.')

i think the only things on the plus side for me are 'it's star wars,' 'R2-D2' and 'harrison ford'. oh, and BB-8 is cute.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by trystan830

that's another notch in the 'do i really want to see it?' side for me.... :( (along with 'it has nothing at all to do with the books' and 'the books are now the alternate 'verse.')

i think the only things on the plus side for me are 'it's star wars,' 'R2-D2' and 'harrison ford'. oh, and BB-8 is cute.

If you like Star Wars in anyway it's worth seeing. Like I said that first half. The second half is in no way bad, remember nostalgia pandering for better and for worse.

[trystan830]

hm, good points. maybe a matinee showing won't cost me my first born. (she has to go back to college in january anyway. XD )

[Tohopekaliga]

I think it is most definitely worth seeing. Good movie.

There's always little things wrong with movies. Nothing's ever perfect, but that shouldn't keep you from enjoying it, in my opinion.

[trystan830]

Originally Posted by Tohopekaliga

There's always little things wrong with movies. Nothing's ever perfect, but that shouldn't keep you from enjoying it, in my opinion.

this is very true.

thanks, Toho. =)

[trystan830]

ok, watched the movie on thursday. LOVED IT!

and it's not like the movie ignores the books.... the references are there, you just need to know what to look for.

if i posted comparisons (behind a cut, of course), who would understand them?

[Quiet Man Cometh]

I quite enjoyed it, getting the chance to go see it last weekend. Alas, I was the only one not wearing a Star Wars shirt among my group (I even checked the Disney Store nearby for something sufficiently geeky to wear) and the Kylo Ren 3D glasses were sold out. Poo.

Spoilered to prevent arguments or for those who want to be completely in the dark still:

Star Wars Episode 7 in one sentence:

Star Wars Episode 4, second edition. Or 2.0, if you prefer.

I like new Darth. :D. Is voice who I think it is? It's not credited, but Jones wasn't credited in the original, either.

[trystan830]

i'll bite, who's the voice? i tried looking it up, but couldn't find anything other than the actor who plays Kylo Ren.

[Quiet Man Cometh]

I don't think "spoilers" are objectively defined. If it's something that someone who hasn't seen the movie/read the book might not want to hear, then it can be a spoiler whether or not it was made available prior to release. People intentionally search out info out of excitement and such, so I figure it's a personal judgement thing, not a "it was already there" thing.

On Kylo Ren: (This would be a spoiler to me because I was curious as to what he would sound like and wanted it to be in the moment rather than before hand. I didn't look up any character info, and didn't even know what anyone (besides Rey, Finn, and Chewie) were going to look like.)

I'm pretty sure the voice is Alan Rickman, but can't say since it's not on IMDB or elsewhere that I can find.

[trystan830]

I didn't *want* to know much about the movie, I wasn't really sure if/when I'd even see it.

But, my daughters may go see it again today, and I'll float that name possibility by them, to see bwhat they think.

Spoilers, in general, are a touchy, subjective, subject to a LOT of people.