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Suzerain of Sheol
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Okay... don't know how long it's been since I posted something here, but I am now, so here it goes. :p
I wrote this a few weeks ago out of sudden inspiration (a very rare occurrence for me). It's half-serious and half-satirical, poking fun at a certain... zeitgeist that I happen to at least partially inhabit. I love comments. :) Edit: Aw, only 56.25 aurum, not even close to my record. :p Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 12:19 AM |
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Just finished reading; gimme a bit because I need some time to cobble together a coherent response to it...
STONEWALL WAS A RIOT | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 03:02 AM |
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DarkForbidden-Love
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Gah, that should not be as good as I think it is. I'll give you kudos for the passage evoking emotions. "Then we look up like a bewildered child from the shattered pieces, the limp corpse, and wail that it isn't fair, that it wasn't our fault." This pretty much sums up what and why.
Puppy to Asami Gallagher is Nursy~ Broken Muse is my girlfriend And Ducky is awesome! Quote:
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![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 07:43 AM |
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Love, could you explain what you mean more? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say there.
@Espy: Looking forward to it. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 12:33 PM |
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DarkForbidden-Love
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I was saying it was a good piece and that was my favorite line. I fond it to be eyecatching and rather emotional.
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![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 07:20 PM |
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Oh, well, thank you, in that case. :)
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![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 07:32 PM |
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It just occurred to me that the title to this story is spelled incorrectly. How utterly embarrassing. It's supposed to be "Diegesis" not "Diagesis".
And in case anyone's wondering, Diagesis is a the narrative of a story, divorced of the culture that produced it; contrast to Mimesis, which is all about the representation of a zeitgeist in a work of literature. The title is, like entire piece, half-satirical and half-serious. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 10:36 PM |
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I can't remember the term for it, that idea that the brain's just a bunch of chemicals working together... Was reading about it in Psychology, and this kind of struck a chord...
The first paragraph. Carpe diem to the extreme. Also reminds me of most governments today, what with being corrupt as hell. Liking the basic denial of everything minus science...the way I phrased that seemed a bit weird but I'm bad at putting words to concepts. There're some bits that contradict each other a little, like the emotion part. Or that might just be me. Have you read The Stranger by Camus? Anyways, reminds me of that book. I'm trying to make sense of the thing about the Devil versus the illusion of Christ and the...uh...what you wrote about God. (Words fail me.) I think it's just me; having a bit of an issue wrapping my mind around it. It seems to ramble a bit in general; I've a short attention span so that's a given. Ending was a tad bit awkward in my opinion; seemed a bit unrelated to the air of things. Uh. Ok. I said this would be coherent; I was wrong. Sorry about that. STONEWALL WAS A RIOT | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 11:17 PM |
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Yay, comments! :D
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![]() | Posted 11-15-2011, 11:32 PM |
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Oh, Espy, I forgot to mention.
That "Christ is a meme" bit... sort of a nod/"take that" at Joseph Campbell and his Jungian theory that the hero-quest story is part of the collective human experience. And, you know, just poking a bit of fun at how hideously overwritten Campbell's book is, like most "literature". :p Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 11-18-2011, 10:51 PM |
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Arsis_von_Neaera
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Two positives:
1)It's not often I read things word for word. It's even less often that I read things word for word twice. I must admit that I'm somewhat smitten with your writing style. You have a powerful vocabulary that provides vivid imagery to concepts that don't normally strike me as interesting. 2)There's a good bit of philosophy in here that I find remarkably true, though jaded. Much of it's satirical and over dramatized, but for the most part, fairly accurate to some of the philosophies I'm studying. The key difference I notice is very simple, 'cup empty, cup full'. Which I'll explain later. Other comments: - I enjoy your character. Half-satire aside, the character is very real, which is something I've noticed some writers struggle with. You obviously didn't struggle with creating the character in this story at all. Your writing and thought processes for said character flowed quite nicely. - I think the dramatization balances itself out towards the end. Kind of an ObZen happening. I rather like the concept of realizing your dying. It's one I don't get much opportunity to observe, even with the dying. - I have questions. They might be too personal, but who do you feel like more; the character or the writer? The satire is making fun of yourself more than anything, at least something you once were or something you still contend with yourself over. Have you changed? Are you trying to? Was writing this a way to make that change happen by bringing light to your "plight"? My psychologist is over analyzing. The story is fantastic. I enjoyed it, twice. Most of the best stories in the world are overly dramatized, yours is just very accurate to the character. It's not often that I get to read the mind of an angry angst ridden, sociopath goth girl. Shmeh, just thoughts. Maybe it's a condition, ever think of that? No, no you didn't. You never thought, "oh maybe he's sensitive about his invisible eyes." Maybe it's a skin condition.
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![]() | Posted 01-26-2012, 02:11 AM |
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*devours comments*
Appreciate the compliments. I think this is my best short story, though I haven't written many. It's the most concrete, if that's believable... For your questions. Well, actually, rather than answer them individually, I'll say that for one, despite how it probably looks, this piece wasn't planned or premeditated. It started with the opening 3 or 4 sentences, which at the time were my own thoughts. After I'd wrote them and looked at what I wrote, I considered and thought, hey, I can make this a story. And I think it was the process of self-deflation, going from I'm so damned profound in the initial moments to get over yourself, this is pompous and self-indulgent that really gave me the inspiration to write this. And it's not so much that I am or ever was this person, believe it or not, rather that I understand this person rather well. (Or maybe I wish I was this person when I was younger. :p I actually didn't start writing seriously until I was in my late teens/early twenties, and I didn't much thinking when I was younger, either.) But, as I said, it certainly reflects an aspect of my personality. I personally think it's more of an ego thing, and this whole piece was an exercise in self-recrimination. But, nonetheless, I empathize with this character in some ways -- mostly the "lock self in room like lunatic and write grandiose nonsense while hating family" part (:p), even if it isn't directly me speaking. Rather, it is me speaking, but once removed from the direct narrative, if that makes sense. And... well... honestly... *shrugs* I can't help it, I find angry, angst ridden, sociopath goth girls kind of hilarious. I have a poem that sort of goes along with this same thing, written a ways before, that I don't think I ever posted. Will do that when I get a chance. Again, thank you for commenting, I very much appreciate your analysis. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 01-26-2012, 10:50 AM |
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I caught that this wasn't you. I was assuming that in writing this, much like I do, you were expressing an overly emphasized version of your own thoughts. Which, as you stated, you kind of were. I get it though. Though its similar, its not you. I think its a very interesting, well written perspective. I highly doubt that any teenage angry, angst ridden, sociopath goth girls could have possibly written this, though. Which is why I initially took this to be you. I know a number of goth individuals who, although clever, were never quite this well thought out. It's almost too accurate kind of deal. I suppose that's part of the satire, though I thought the comedy of this was just to be over the top. Not necessarily well written and thought out. I think the clever part is you, the rest is some nonsensical babbling diatribe you might have been "privy" to listen to at some point in life; whether that be self imposed or not.
Right, that's cyclical thinking. You wrote it so clever that its too clever to be considered clever. Which makes you look clever which is why you wrote it too clever to be considered clever... I'm totally rambling at this point, I really hope that didn't make sense. Maybe it's a condition, ever think of that? No, no you didn't. You never thought, "oh maybe he's sensitive about his invisible eyes." Maybe it's a skin condition.
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![]() | Posted 01-26-2012, 01:44 PM |
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That's so insightful I'm almost stunned it applies to something I wrote. :p
*ahem* What I mean is I, of course, planned and plotted all of that with excruciating precision and care. (actually a balance between those two. ;)) Also, I forgot, there's an entire other angel to it dealing with literary criticism that also sort of worked it's way in there. The title is dealing with that aspect, and yet, it ties into the overall concept that pretentious analyses and speculation as to meaning and intention of the author and so on is... wasteful, almost to the point of providing a false (and hollowing) meaning of it's own (the act of such criticism). More broadly, I think it's saying that there are more important things in life, and they don't require so many (big) words. Or something to that effect. Or, alternatively, there are no important things in life and language itself is a semantic battle we can't help but lose. If you want to be all morbid about things. :p Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
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Arsis_von_Neaera
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![]() | Posted 01-26-2012, 04:16 PM |
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I'm 22, almost 23. So, yeah, my generation too.
And that's a good way to approach it, I think. (Possibly the only "healthy" way) My own views on the issue are largely similar; writing things like this can often be cathartic and purging in a way. At least, I think it works, since I'm relatively stable in my outlook and sentiments. I do think there's a general tend toward nihilism among our generation, it's troubling. Even more so because it seems mostly subconscious for the most part, almost memetic. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers. | ||||
![]() | Posted 01-26-2012, 04:41 PM |
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