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Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 07-26-2011, 06:19 PM

Arwen was at least in the book already (even if her movie-character wasn't at all...)

Really, though, who do these people think they are? Middle-Earth is not their imaginary playground. What is so damned hard about just adapting the book? Why this need to try and make it their own? If they want to make their own fantasy movie, why don't they?

Likely because of brand-recognition....

Quiet Man Cometh · Posted 07-26-2011, 06:22 PM

I remember the topic about Arwen's increased role on the radio. It was essentially the lack of women in the story. They felt compelled to fix it, possibly for political reasons, don't know. Apparently Eowyn wasn't good enough on her own. She (Arwen) may also has fit in well for Elrond to talk to in between adventure scenes.

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 07-26-2011, 06:31 PM

I understand the sentiment... IF they were making an original film. It's a book. That's the way the book is. Call it what you will, 1.) Tolkien was hardly a sexist, and 2.) it's just a pointless deviation, and one that nearly no one liked anyway.

Quiet Man Cometh · Posted 07-26-2011, 07:17 PM

If it was an original movie the scene still would have bothered me. (It's the river crossing scene the the whole *drama* bit after "let him me spared blah blah blah" I'm talking about).

I can understand expanding Arwen's part, but it's like they couldn't really take the time to establish a proper character. They had from the magical glory elf and horse scene to the end of the river crossing to establish her character and scrunched it in.

She's mysterious! *glowy slo-motion horse scene,* She's adventurous! *fleeing to river,* She's brave! *crossing river defying the Nine,* She's tender and self sacrificing! *spare Frodo! (cry).*

All done! Love story time.

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 07-26-2011, 07:26 PM

Oh, I agree. I meant the whole political correctness issue. I value sticking with the original work over some perceived need for gender equality, especially when they're going to do it so poorly.

And that's my biggest gripe with them. They just can't seem to change things for the better. It's just arrogance on their part, thinking they can improve Tolkien. They don't even seem to realize what the problem with their approach is.

Quiet Man Cometh · Posted 07-26-2011, 08:06 PM

I'm kinda annoyed that screen time appears to be equated with gender equality. Oh well. I won't get into it. This is onen of those things I studied and can go at length, in great detail, with many sources.

I'm a little curious, I admit, what this new elf is going to do and how she gets into the story. Any bets that she becomes the one to free the Dwarves from wherever elf place they get stuck in?

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 07-26-2011, 08:09 PM

Yeah, I'm kind of worried they'll do something like that. I can't imagine what other role she could fulfill. I doubt they're just going to have her in the background; they made a pretty big deal out of announcing her.

Quiet Man Cometh · Posted 07-26-2011, 08:32 PM

Love interest for Legolas?

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 07-26-2011, 08:41 PM

You just made me literally facepalm. And I know you know everything that's wrong with what you just said, so I'm not going to say it. :p

Quiet Man Cometh · Posted 07-27-2011, 01:31 AM

Of course I know, and I apologize for the searing pain it may have caused while crossing your mined. Thinking like a producer here. ;)

Go watch Joffery get slapped. :)

Hokan-jin · Posted 09-24-2011, 02:00 PM

I don't know about the whole Arwen topic but for The Hobbit I am just crossing my fingers and hoping it won't be mauled.

Lost_Ninja9213 · Posted 10-06-2011, 03:36 PM

gah so Legolas is coming back isnt he...D: i guess seeing his dad will make up for it...maybe. not really, i just want to see Bilbo XD and Smaug.

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 10-06-2011, 03:47 PM

Is it just me, or has there been no news at all on these films in the last couple months? I know they were taking a break from shooting in July, but I thought they'd be back at it by now, or at least have released some more information.

Lost_Ninja9213 · Posted 10-06-2011, 03:58 PM

i havent been paying attention, last thing i saw were the pics of Bilbo and the dwarves.

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 03-16-2012, 12:35 AM

The Hobbit literal trailer!

"Careful, it's bind on pick-up" indeed.

Suzerain of Sheol · Posted 08-04-2012, 02:40 PM

So... apparently there are going to be three Hobbit films now, instead of two. I have to confess, I don't understand why this is necessary. But, I'm a little too jaded with Jackson's antics to care that much at this point.

Would be interested to hear others' opinions on this.

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#97
	Arwen was at least in the book already (even if her movie-character wasn't at all...) Really, though, who do these people think they are? Middle-Earth is not their imaginary playground. What is so damned hard about just adapting the book? Why this need to try and make it their own? If they want to make their own fantasy movie, why don't they? Likely because of brand-recognition.... Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 07-26-2011, 06:19 PM

		#98	Quiet Man Cometh We're all mad here.
I remember the topic about Arwen's increased role on the radio. It was essentially the lack of women in the story. They felt compelled to fix it, possibly for political reasons, don't know. Apparently Eowyn wasn't good enough on her own. She (Arwen) may also has fit in well for Elrond to talk to in between adventure scenes. Tea?
	Posted 07-26-2011, 06:22 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#99
	I understand the sentiment... IF they were making an original film. It's a book. That's the way the book is. Call it what you will, 1.) Tolkien was hardly a sexist, and 2.) it's just a pointless deviation, and one that nearly no one liked anyway. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 07-26-2011, 06:31 PM

		#100	Quiet Man Cometh We're all mad here.
If it was an original movie the scene still would have bothered me. (It's the river crossing scene the the whole drama bit after "let him me spared blah blah blah" I'm talking about). I can understand expanding Arwen's part, but it's like they couldn't really take the time to establish a proper character. They had from the magical glory elf and horse scene to the end of the river crossing to establish her character and scrunched it in. She's mysterious! glowy slo-motion horse scene, She's adventurous! fleeing to river, She's brave! crossing river defying the Nine, She's tender and self sacrificing! spare Frodo! (cry). All done! Love story time. Tea?
	Posted 07-26-2011, 07:17 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#101
	Oh, I agree. I meant the whole political correctness issue. I value sticking with the original work over some perceived need for gender equality, especially when they're going to do it so poorly. And that's my biggest gripe with them. They just can't seem to change things for the better. It's just arrogance on their part, thinking they can improve Tolkien. They don't even seem to realize what the problem with their approach is. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 07-26-2011, 07:26 PM

		#102	Quiet Man Cometh We're all mad here.
I'm kinda annoyed that screen time appears to be equated with gender equality. Oh well. I won't get into it. This is onen of those things I studied and can go at length, in great detail, with many sources. I'm a little curious, I admit, what this new elf is going to do and how she gets into the story. Any bets that she becomes the one to free the Dwarves from wherever elf place they get stuck in? Tea?
	Posted 07-26-2011, 08:06 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#103
	Yeah, I'm kind of worried they'll do something like that. I can't imagine what other role she could fulfill. I doubt they're just going to have her in the background; they made a pretty big deal out of announcing her. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 07-26-2011, 08:09 PM

		#104	Quiet Man Cometh We're all mad here.
Love interest for Legolas? Tea?
	Posted 07-26-2011, 08:32 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#105
	You just made me literally facepalm. And I know you know everything that's wrong with what you just said, so I'm not going to say it. :p Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 07-26-2011, 08:41 PM

		#106	Quiet Man Cometh We're all mad here.
Of course I know, and I apologize for the searing pain it may have caused while crossing your mined. Thinking like a producer here. ;) Go watch Joffery get slapped. :) Tea?
	Posted 07-27-2011, 01:31 AM

Hokan-jin Kookie Book-obsessed :D			#107
	I don't know about the whole Arwen topic but for The Hobbit I am just crossing my fingers and hoping it won't be mauled.
		Posted 09-24-2011, 02:00 PM

		#108	Lost_Ninja9213 Hakuna matata
gah so Legolas is coming back isnt he...D: i guess seeing his dad will make up for it...maybe. not really, i just want to see Bilbo XD and Smaug.
	Posted 10-06-2011, 03:36 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#109
	Is it just me, or has there been no news at all on these films in the last couple months? I know they were taking a break from shooting in July, but I thought they'd be back at it by now, or at least have released some more information. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 10-06-2011, 03:47 PM

		#110	Lost_Ninja9213 Hakuna matata
i havent been paying attention, last thing i saw were the pics of Bilbo and the dwarves.
	Posted 10-06-2011, 03:58 PM

Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen			#111
	The Hobbit literal trailer! "Careful, it's bind on pick-up" indeed. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
		Posted 03-16-2012, 12:35 AM

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		#112	Suzerain of Sheol Desolation Denizen
So... apparently there are going to be three Hobbit films now, instead of two. I have to confess, I don't understand why this is necessary. But, I'm a little too jaded with Jackson's antics to care that much at this point. Would be interested to hear others' opinions on this. Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers. Between supposed brothers.
	Posted 08-04-2012, 02:40 PM