[Alpha]

Well, I can state that most of Obama's policies (if not all, but not going to generalize there) are so money intensive that they add to the budget to push it greater than the 20% gross of our nation that was the proposed cap on spending for the longest time. Only two presidents to my knowledge have done this so far: Carter and Obama.

The majority of what he has implemented hasn't even been hitting the budget yet as well.....so in truth things are actually worse than they appear. And un-employment has not been dropped at all.....it has actually increased. The only problem is that they do their tracking by those who are currently filing for Unemployment.....and this is so because you can't file after around 63 weeks on average. Thus, there are actually more people than are being reported by agencies.

And actually, he is taxing everyone equally. Granted, for example, 5% of income to the "rich" is less impactful than for those of the middle and lower classes, but it is still equal across the board. Certain tax cuts are in place to encourage businesses to invest in their people, be able to hire more people (thus creating jobs), and offer better benefits on the whole. Another big part of his platform was reducing the federal deficit by capping spending at the 20% of GDP at most, so that we aren't increasing the deficit, and are able to start paying off the debts that we owe.

Why are you surprised at women voting for him? Because he opposes government funded abortions? He opposes that for the same reason that most oppose government healthcare.....because everyone pays for everything....even if they never use it. If you want to opt into it, then go for it, but you will have to pay a slightly higher rate. It's all about choice when it comes down to it. And he stands for what he believes in when it comes to defining when life begins and what marriage is. I might not agree with it, but I can respect the man for standing up for what he believes in.

Taxing the middle class? Any president is going to have to since they make up the majority of this nation. Taxes are going to be there regardless, and no matter what they say, no president can ever get rid of them or there would be no money for government to spend on any program(s).

Putting his state into turmoil? He actually didn't. It was in turmoil when he was elected in 2002....and with what he did, he dropped unemployment and created a vast number of jobs. His business experience shows that he knows how to create, run, and stick to a budget. This is added upon by his experience and results from his time as governor.

[Tiva]

Ummm warning wall of text from Alpha that he is still editing....
Also Romney is in the lead atm

[Darth Vader]

On the east coast here. Obama is 172, Romney is 163.

[Tiva]

What are you watching? Yahoo and Fox both have Romney in the lead

Yahoo
O: 147
R: 170

Fox
O: 163
R: 174

[Alpha]

Also, my post is finished.

[Darth Vader]

I'm watching ABC News. The votes are now Obama - 173, Romney - 174.

[Darth Vader]

Fox News:
Obama - 244
Romney - 203

It's been a while since ABC News has shown their numbers.

[Tiva]

That is the Same as Fox but until Cali does the actual tally nothing is firm.

Cause Romney is winning in Cali atm.

[Alpha]

As a reminder....as of now everything is projected, not set in stone

[Meizicht]

Egh nevermind what I had here before, I don't want to debate ( I find it better if I just keep my opinion to myself a lot ). I'm easily getting stressed enough as it is that they're screeching Obama will win my state, which is jumping the gun. Only 65% reporting, and they're already making decisions. -__-

[Alpha]

Meizicht: You are absolutely correct in that "taxing the rich" includes small business owners since they are placed in the "rich" category because of their gross income. This doesn't adjust however for their expenses for supplies, payroll, etc.

[Darth Vader]

Fox is highly projecting that Obama is going to be reelected.

[Alpha]

Yes, but again, it is projecting. Until the final votes are counted, he is not officially re-elected. And I foresee several states having recalls and investigations going into effect. Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia being the main ones.

[Meizicht]

I'm hating that they keep making "solid" decisions when half the votes aren't even counted yet. For example, Wisconsin was declared for Obama, but now Romney is leading by around 3%. That could happen easily in Ohio, since 35% of the votes still need to be counted ( not to mention, people are yelling about problems of illegal voting right now too, so there might even be a recount ), and the difference is around 2%. That's been closing pretty rapidly, and I think maybe half of that 65% is absentee and early voting ( which if you live here, you'd know that was all endorsed by Obama. He actually came here and took bus loads of people to the polling places if they said they'd vote for him. I'm not even kidding, I think that's horrible. )
So really, in my opinion, only 30-something% has been counted, and there's another big hunk that still needs to be counted.
Argh, I hate media and their projections.

[Poggio]

So my tv is telling me Obama won again, I am not sure what is really going on but my parents are watching abc news.

[Tiva]

The projected vote is Obama, but most of the numbers haven't come in yet in the Key states. The places stated above.