[Lawtan]

Agave Nectar is like Cactus-honey, and is a good alternative to the sugar-heavy honey that bees produce (for those who are hypoglycemic)...while tasting better than Illusion's "poo-honey"

[ml1201]

Ah, though it sounds like it would be expensive here since I don't live near a desert. Marshes yes, but not a desert. x'D

Right now I'm trying not to cry because I realize how stupid I've been about things on another site and the owner no longer has my trust and I'll probably never donate there again since I don't think it will last the rest of the year. *sulks in corner*

[Lawtan]

*Offers hug to ml1201*

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Lawtan

Agave Nectar is like Cactus-honey, and is a good alternative to the sugar-heavy honey that bees produce (for those who are hypoglycemic)...while tasting better than Illusion's "poo-honey"

I need this Agave Nectar....

[ml1201]

Thanks Law, I just feel like a complete idiot now because of it.

[daikokunyo]

Originally Posted by Illusion

I wonder if bees is the reason why my honey tastes like poop. Remember when Bee honey tasted like Bee honey and not Hornet honey?

You know what poop tastes like?
Sorry for the PJ
I don't like Physics, but that's only when I have to write tests for it. I don't mind reading and mulling over Physics to pass time, it's like thinking over someone else's philosophy. Makes you think and come up with stuff of your own.
Like the concept of God. People ask me whether I believe in God which is a stupid question; I just don't believe in the general definition of God. The main reason people have for saying they DON'T believe is that they don't think God can be so good or whatever if the world is so messed up and he's controlling it, and because religion causes problems in the form of communalism, etc.
Seriously how can people think God controls everything? That's so immature, defining God so you can blame everything on it. If the world is messed up don't blame God, it's people who're messing it up!
And then there's the thing of, at some point something must have come from nothing. But even what we call 'nothing', emptiness, space, vacuum, was created! What must there have been, before there was nothing? I just call that thing 'God'. The thing which created the world, or from which the world was created. It's sufficiently abstract and imagination-defying. I'm sure that's how the idea came up originally, I have no idea where the other rubbish piled on from.
OK that came out of nowhere. Sorry for ranting

[Lawtan]

Oh, theology time! Have you heard the word of Ba'al? (And now, the character of one of the stories I am working on hates me...)

Truth is, either way it all comes back to humanity and sucking. If religion is wrong and there is no god, blame humanity for the harm their own mental construct has caused. If 75% of religions are right, the blame for violence and all still lies on humanity according to god(s).

Also, it is easier to define "consciousness" than it is to define a general "god"...and last I read we had to resort to calling what the majority of people in a test/questionnaire considered consciousness to be the definition of it. (Not really a good practice for coming up with a scientific definition of something...I think...)

Personally, I consider the argument a waste of time when we have more immediate issues - like caring for people and making sure we don't allow the Earth to become a less hospitable place...

Does it boil my blood the way several of them act? Yes. Can I change that human beings are like this? No...however, I can make sure I am not like this, and I can try to help people whenever possible.

Some people are naturally going to want to stab one another in the back. Doesn't stop me from trying to be their friend...and hey, if someone stabs me in the back, at least I'll make the tabloids!

[ml1201]

You both make very good points. XD I personally see it as if something cannot be explained scientifically then it was caused by an undefined force that is basically equated to God. :3 My dad is of the same belief because he's a computer scientist. :3

[Illusion]

I'm still waiting until we find another intelligent species and ask what their religious beliefs are. Just to prove that our religions are non-sense, but knowing us people will just alter their religions or points so it's able to survive into the future.

Science keeps proving so much, and religion has to keep altering their points to keep up with the new information we discover. But there is still a question of whether there was a creator of the universe. But the age old point I will always address, then who created the creator? And if someone's argument is that God was always there, they are completely ignorant to a basic idea that they use against people to prove of God's existence.

We're able to prove that the universe can create itself because of gravity, but we still can't figure out what creates the law of gravity without mass. Then there is the functioning of progression and time, and so on.

But seriously....


You can easily expect that image to grow more as time progresses and we can observe more of the known universe. I still laugh every time I see this image just because of how much sense it makes.

I still laugh at the idea of Jesus, a woman is suddenly pregnant and goes "Oh this is God's child." If this was modern day, that wouldn't fly. People now are going to go "Who the hell did you sleep with?" I do believe stories of Noah's arc are half truths, the size of his arc wouldn't fit one of each animal, but for people a boat this size would prove impossible to construct so the tall tale is easy to travel by, and because there is evidence of a great flood in the world it gives the story some believability because people will say "Oh I know about that flood that happen so many years ago." And when they retell the story and or share the story they could had alter the story "Mom? How big was the arc? 40 Arches? Okay? No wait 40 feet? 40 inches...? Okay."

We have older religions that predate Muslim, Christianity, Jewish, and so on. One example I always like to bring up is Greek gods, people easily believed in the gods and had a whole culture center around the religion of their belief towards them. But now everyone in Greece can easy attest that the gods were the work of fiction. What happen? People evolved, were able to climb Olympus to see there was no Gods living there, people could lie about meeting Athena and so on.

Then there's String Theory that suggests that our universe was a birth that came from another birth after another.
An amazing example from The Simpsons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPadNH0Lwyg

Then there's the idea that our world is a simulation like Tron that is run by people who in turn mastered, a more biological and or physic relating method of creation. If we humans are capable to begin making AI's and artificial world's like Tron, who's to say there could be a creator to do the same? And our world is a simulation to another and so on.

There was a movie that recently came out called Interstellar that talks about how gravity is needed to solve a majority of problems we may face in the future to help solve the solution to the human race's survival. They found that some sort of "other race" was sending wormholes to other universes and messages via gravity. It was later discovered that that race was us in the future who discovered how to manipulate gravity through science. But in the entire movie people thought these people were just gods, when in reality it was simply them from the future. While a lot of this movie was bullshit, it does show how easy it is for us to believe in a higher power, and it also shows just how big of a question Gravity is. Once we finally figure out Gravity it will essentially kill of the majority of questions of the universes creation and could literally kill off many religions.

So there is some humor and food for thought. xD Sorry for the wordy post, but I love talking about this stuff because it invokes a huge amount of thought and discussion.

Edit: Anyone willing to continue the discussion I have a ton of video games I'd love to bring up that share many points of religion and science. Oh and some videos of crackpot game theories that depict a lot of this information as well.

[ml1201]

I can't read the entire post right now, but I read half of it, up to the Greek gods. Only reason being is that I'm hopping on before work. Someone make a post after me so that I can remember to come back and read the rest because I like this topic of discussion. XD

[Lawtan]

This is the third or fourth time I've tried to reply :P

Your comment, Illusion, sends my mind in multiple directions. I am unsure how far I can go in any of them. Pick one?

The Nature and Study of the Universe (Eager to learn)
The Value of Religion and Culture (I foresee a fruitless argument)
Interesting or Favorite Game Characters (Yay!)
Modern and Future Technology (*Does a jig of jog*)
Philosophy (I foresee more of the lack of fruit)

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Lawtan

This is the third or fourth time I've tried to reply :P

Your comment, Illusion, sends my mind in multiple directions. I am unsure how far I can go in any of them. Pick one?

The Nature and Study of the Universe (Eager to learn)
The Value of Religion and Culture (I foresee a fruitless argument)
Interesting or Favorite Game Characters (Yay!)
Modern and Future Technology (*Does a jig of jog*)
Philosophy (I foresee more of the lack of fruit)

It was intentional, Nature and the Universe was my main topic when we talked about creation but it branched out a lot as it should.
I didn't want to be denouncing religion as I'm very supportive of most churches of all religions.(And I agree fruitless argument.) It's very touchy subject for some people, while it's a very intelligent and applaud conversation for others.
And the video games about religion/philosphy/universe was where I would continue the conversation by using references from games stories to further a discussion from what I already said. xD

[Lawtan]

Oh, that I'm good with. (Truth: Reply one was highlighting my views in the quotes of game characters...it was deleted, then I built a verbal description...it was deleted, then I posted the different options, and it was scrapped, corrupted, and then deleted...but the forth attempt to reply was posted)

So...I came up with:

Mordin (A spiritual medical doctor and geneticist Salarian who values culture as a sign of continued growth and thought in a species...and the destruction of those already living and of culture to be abominable...and who struggles over having made essentially a sterilization virus to keep another race in check as predicted by statistics)

The entire Mask of the Betrayer (If it still worked, I'd play it for eternity...it is the perfect 12-hour game for this sort of stuff...references to Maxwell's Entropy Demon...Dead Gods...A Crusade to effectively tear down a fate worse than Hell for "atheists" because it is unjust...Abandoned by parents...superstition...all in the Forgotten Realms area of Rashamen...the "self" and the "Mask"...)

Then, there's Aribeth, Fenthik, the King of Shadows...

As for other areas of debate, there are actually several Neverwinter Nights 1 mods...as well as the above Aribeth et al...that look into them. (In fact, several NWN 1 modules are better written than the campaigns...NWN 2 campaigns, on the other hand, are better written than the NWN 2 mods, but have several hakpacks that allow you to make and do awesome things...even though the graphics are rather poor in both of them...)

And, outside of Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, World in Conflict, and Dawn of War...I am really coming up short.

[ml1201]

@Illusion, in general I find the topic very interesting, besides philosophy I can do without that. XD I like talking about ancient cultures too, but mostly because of their influence in art and how they built/created things. :3

@Law
What, there's mods for NWN? I didn't know that. o.o

[Lawtan]

How else did two poor-graphics games survive for a decade? There is a small community who has made mods and art for the NWN style, like RPG-Maker games do for the Final Fantasy style.

Umm...here, the Neverwinter Vault...though after Gamespy crashed, several mods were lost...I have several that if I ever get the chance, I'll re-upload to it.

(What I've always wanted to do: Make a mod for Skyrim that included the original story of Neverwinter (with Aribeth and all...that made Aribeth a stronger character, expanded on Aarin Gend, Fenthik, the companions, and Nasher...etc...can you imagine Charwood using Skyrim's graphics? It would be memorable indeed!))

Also, THE HEX CODA!!!! Pandy and Six o'Clock! <3

(Other thing I'd want to do: get the Hex Coda finished)

[ml1201]

I honestly didn't know there were mods, I had just been playing it as it was for years. o.o; Bookmarked it though because when I get it installed (again) I'll need that link for the patches since I don't think the server for that is still up?

Edit:
And that would be firggin awesome if you could play it with Skyrim graphics. o.o