[Stalker]

Mmh. I'm really excited for Elidiun. Open Beta starts pretty soon.

I used to frequent quite a few sites.
Gaia used to be where I was most active but then I moved onto Roliana.
After Roliana, I joined Piitown, then Solia, Crysandrea and a few others.
Crysandrea is pretty fun though. <3

:] Most of my time is spent helping with Elidiun now, trying my best to help get everything organized.

[iCookies]

Anyone concerned about Elidiun go here: <link removed>

[Kamikaze Chinchilla]

iCookies wanted me to see the explanation to get both sides of the story. Although I see that iCookies has now removed it. For everyone else, his explanation was that the site had 'group ownership' and that Postlife purchased the url and had rights to it, but then was helped with the funding by the others. And because it was group ownership, from what iCookies said, Postlife could not be called the 'one' owner. However, from Postlife's side of the story, she was taken down from the owner/admin position and was offered a mod position. She was upset afterwards.

However, this does not show that 1+1=2. If it was truly a group ownership, why would someone be upset from the change? Group ownership means that everyone is equally important to the team and that everyone owns the project, so titles/positions should not matter.

Just explain, truthfully and not just 'one sided'.

One or both of you answer these questions, please:
1 - Every website starts with 'one' person. That one person comes up with the idea and brings it to the table with at least one other person. Who was that one person?
2 - Did that person distinctly say or imply that they were the sole owner so that everyone understood the terms?
3 - Did the person who started the idea agree to 'group ownership', or was it decided by the team without the consultation of the person with the original idea and/or whoever the owner was?
4 - Did you have enough communication where all the decisions were acceptable?
5 - I understand that there is a phase 1 and phase 2. In other words, the old version and the new version. Who funded the site in phase 1? Who is funding the site in phase 2?
6 - Do you believe that ownership of a business goes to the one that does more work or does it go to the one who originally set up the project and/or claimed original ownership?

*sits back and listens* Let's fill in the holes here.

And the site is now <url removed>

[PostLife]

1. That one person was Me, followed shortly by Christopher.

2. I had struggles with Cookies over ownership from the beginning, lord knows why. I had brought him on with the intent to just be a member, not in charge of anything. :/ I had believed he'd grown to understand that he was not in any way shape or form co-owner, owner, etc. He was expendable, and if I had decided so he would have been gone quickly. I offered him a modding position, because he proved valuable.

3. The only "group ownership" would have been Chris and I.
4. I had a firm hand like any leader should, but was very open to change and growth, I don't believe I was a tyrant. We decided things as a group. Some things weren't feasible, so I said so, and moved on.

5. The original was funded by me. I know nothing of the second Elidiun.

6. It should belong to the person who was the original person funding & coming up with ideas and finding people to work with. Which would be myself, and if I had a co-owner, Chris.

[Kamikaze Chinchilla]

..Now that brings up more questions..

I'm only assuming things here, but maybe Chris had something to do with this and he didn't want to approach you.

1 - Was phase 1 funded entirely by you or did you have some help with the funding?
2 - You make it sound like Chris was a co-owner, but later you make it sound like he wasn't. Was he a co-owner?
3 - Was this departure from the original elidiun something that was Chris' idea, or was it iCookies' idea?
4 (multi-question) - So I'm assuming you also were the one that picked out the name for elidiun. And it seems to me that they are changing everything and starting from scratch, minus the name. Were you the one that decided the name? Would you feel better if they changed the name? Or would you prefer that the ownership issue were cleared up so that you and Chris could be in charge again? Or just let them keep the name and rights to the project?

[PostLife]

1. By me entirely.
2. In a way he was, but it was my project. He was more of an co-advisor.
3. Cookies as far as I know, Chris says he didn't join till november Ish.
4. Elidiun was a combo of mine and chistophers, I ok'd the name, after making sure it was well liked. Honestly I don't care anymore, cookies has ruined elidiun for me. So I'm done, I'll let him run it into the ground like he did with Kronos Phase. I'm ready to start fresh and new without any of them.

[Sushi]

lol. I thought this thread was about new avatar sites. Not to sound rude, but it seems like you guys are just telling everyone what's wrong with others, or why you do not like them?

[Kamikaze Chinchilla]

We are talking about things that are elidiun related, and elidiun is an upcoming site. I thought clarification was necessary since both sides were only providing bits and pieces. So, in all honesty, I would prefer for both people to answer the questions. iCookies may not be wrong, but he only provided something that left me with more questions than I originally had, and he has yet to answer them.

But if this is group ownership, at least they all have an equal voice. I think that is good because one person might have flaws that another person can help cover up with his/her strengths, or maybe one of them has to leave then the others can fill in the empty spot. I think elidiun might be the first avatar site to have a group ownership. Usually it's a few owners, but never the whole team. So I think it will be interesting to see how it turns out as far as the management style goes.

[Stalker]

I've contributed 50 dollars towards ElidiunOnline.

From what I've heard, there was a lack of communication between the three of them. Them being, Post, Chris, and Cookies.
Chris and Cookies stayed within contact and continued the project, and I was invited along to participate in the administrative role and now I've been funding the project for hosts/domains etc to get it moving along.

I really enjoy working with the family that there is now. :] There isn't any drama within the group behind elidiunonline, and I'm quite thrilled with that. Everyone works together as a group, as it had been intended.

[iCookies]

Postlife only funded 10$ for the domain, that's it. She poofed away and me and Chris continued. Meagan never contacted us and I got new bases with my funds and we continued Elidiun. Chi spent 50$ and Meagan Imd me wanting to join even as a mod and I let her join as head mod as we have 3 admins already, she saw the beta site and boom, started asking for site ownership and such.

She showed aggressive mood and we do not need that on the team.

[Zypher]

I don't mind you guys discussing the site in full, however, I will ask that all LINKS to other sites be removed. Please make sure to keep to the rules. Linking to other sites can be considered advertisement which will not help either party as they would get into trouble needlessly.

[iCookies]

Originally Posted by Zypher

I don't mind you guys discussing the site in full, however, I will ask that all LINKS to other sites be removed. Please make sure to keep to the rules. Linking to other sites can be considered advertisement which will not help either party as they would get into trouble needlessly.

My thousands apologies.

[Ashurato]

Note: I don't mean to offend anyone by editing their posts, but I have edited out the links.

[Stalker]

Ashurato, I don't think people would offended with that notion.
I'm certain they'd be appreciative of you taking the time to help them avoid trouble. C:

[Ashurato]

^^ I sure hope so.

[Kamikaze Chinchilla]

Thankyou Stalker and iCookies for your explanations. I appreciate that you came around to take the time to help get this issue cleared up.

@Ash: That's fine 83