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ml1201
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lol, yeah, I just need to level and evo him, I'll post what my team is in a sec for it, I need to update padherder. =.=;
Edit: Here we go. http://i.imgur.com/z7SUm4F.png
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 02:21 PM |
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#3858 |
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Aizen IS surprisingly fun to play... though that may just be because he's so ridiculously overpowered. Seriously, two Aizens means a really easy 144xATK multiplier. (And if you put some effort into it, a ridiculous 576x spike.) That's stupidly powerful. I swept the Zeus Dragon dungeon this morning and only needed to use three stones (one because I got unlucky on orbs in round 2, the other two because I had trouble hitting the 7-combo shield).
He's also really easy to build teams for, because his only teambuilding requirement is Dark. Filter your box by Dark, sort by ATK descending, and pick the top four entries, and you've got a reasonably good start. I recommend the HP+ team awakening if you have access to it, but time extend is a good second place if you don't have it. If you decide you REALLY need more RCV, you can pick a non-Dark Water healer, but it's not likely to be necessary. If you need more HP, then your only option is to bring some high-HP subs. (Dragon Zombie, blue Sonia, Okuninushi, and Gravis are good options.) In terms of awoken skills: You probably want to stack orb enhances because TPAs and rows don't synergize well with Aizen's leader skill. TPAs aren't worthless because they give you something to do if you don't have five dark orbs (and if you have nine dark orbs, then the TPA bonus stacks with the cross bonus), and if you've only got one Aizen leader then a monster with 2xTPA will deal more damage with a 4-match than a cross. Games by Coda (updated 4/8/2025 - New game: Marianas Miner)
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 03:05 PM |
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A blue Aizen team looks fun, but you probably want to prioritize monsters with a dark main attribute, aside from monsters like Blonia (great stat stick, nice active, good enough awakenings). And you definitely want to prioritize monsters that make dark orbs.
The only thing Aizen does with the water attribute is give water monsters 2x RCV. Water orb matches will activate nothing extra in his leader skill, and there is no attack multiplier bonus for monsters with a water attribute. In comparison, matching 5 dark orbs in a cross shape will activate the additional attack multiplier in his leader skill to make your attack multiplier go from 36x to 144x (or even higher if you make more than one dark cross). So... This is your PADHerder, right? Kick Alrescha in favor of Castor (I'M JEALOUS, BTW). Or if you want to wait until you've developed Castor, then put in Revo Voice. Or maybe Satsuki. Or Gryps Rider. Basically any dark monster other than Alrescha, because her active barely does anything for an Aizen team compared to other dark orb changers (see what I said earlier about what you can activate with water orbs vs dark orbs). Aizen teams aren't tank teams, so you want to prioritize whatever will make your damage go up (e.g. the attack multiplier). Treat that "2x RCV for water monsters" as a bonus rather than something of high priority--unless you're reeaally lacking in RCV, in which case you can give it a higher priority. (Similarly, don't prioritize HP very strongly unless you're reeaally lacking in HP and/or you want to use Aizen to get through a dungeon with at least one heavy preemptive, etc) Why do I keep typing walls of text TT_____TT Disclaimer: I don't actually play Aizen; all of the above is made up of my best guesses, since teambuilding based on leader skills is basically the same lol I didn't include much about which actives you should bring, aside from "if you have a dark orb changer and a water orb changer, put in the dark orb changer instead of the water orb changer"--which is basically a corollary of teambuilding based on leader skills pew pew
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 05:07 PM |
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bc you are very thurough on detail nickjr
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 05:08 PM |
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Too thorough, I think lol
If I had to replace more than just Alrescha, then I'd replace Blue Odin. I don't think Aizen teams need enhances from an active skill unless you're trying to kill Kali or someone like that, so Blue Odin is just a great stat stick who brings 3 SBs and can kill stuff with blue TPAs--which you're probably not going to be focusing on (you'd probably only try to kill stuff with blue TPAs if you're short on dark orbs and have no actives that make dark orbs up--but what if Blue Odin was, instead, another monster who made dark orbs? you see lol) If you don't need Blue Odin for his stats, then I'd put in one of the monsters I mentioned earlier that you could kick Alrescha for. I would keep Blonia and Lumiel in there for their board changes. Lumiel in particular combos great with Aizen himself for bursting. (Bicolor board alone Pros: uses a single active, generates more dark orbs on average + orb troll is rarer Cons: no way to fix orb troll (remember that this option is just using the single active), longer CD 4-color board + double orb changer combination Pros: more consistent final numbers of each orb type (e.g. guaranteed 6 dark orbs unless you had locked orbs on the board), shorter CDs Cons: uses two actives, more likely that you need to actually use both actives due to lower average generation of your desired orb color The benefits and tradeoffs of using one of the above over the other are pretty clear, but people weigh the pros and cons differently depending on their personal preference, their playstyle, the other monsters on their teams, the team itself, etc.) pew pew
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 05:43 PM |
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ml1201
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But water monsters are my strongest since I've worked on them more, and I was thinking of giving Alrescha a skill from one of the other monsters that gives her a board change kind of affect. Not sure if that's a good idea or not. Also, I'd like to keep Odin because he launches an attack, gives a boost to water and dark type orbs, and can give me health if I need it.
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 06:12 PM |
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No, you hadn't linked that yet when I wrote that post. :P
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I agree with you (and disagree with nick) that Blodin is a good choice, at least at the moment. As I mentioned before, his three TPAs makes a blue 4-match strong enough that you won't be missing out too much on the cross bonus, and his active skill does provide dark OEs. Too bad Blonia doesn't synergize on TPAs.
I DO agree you should swap out Alrescha for another main-dark monster. At that point, it'll essentially play like a two-color team instead of a mono-dark team -- it doesn't spike quite as easily as a mono-color team, but it also doesn't get walled by stuff that absorbs your only offensive color. You won't be taking full advantage of what Aizen has to offer but given what you have available right now it's still going to be solid. Games by Coda (updated 4/8/2025 - New game: Marianas Miner)
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@ you both that's why I said
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I tend to look more at long-term teambuilding since immediate teambuilding is much easier. Plus if I were to only look at monsters that you've already developed, well... you wouldn't get anywhere lol not sure how to explain this, but beyond immediate teambuilding, there's no point in looking just at the monsters that you've already developed, right? For now, Blue Odin's definitely good since you've developed him more than your other options (not sure if my head-scratching came off clearly enough when I was listing potential replacements for Alrescha earlier) pew pew
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 07:10 PM |
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I give up I'm terrible at explaining lol that's exactly what I meant by immediate teambuilding
-DROOLS- I WANT YOUR CASTOR He looks mostly developed o: I'd swap out Alrescha for Castor as soon as Castor has his first 6 awakenings pew pew
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@nickjr, the difference is that I'm recommending Blodin for his 3xTPA and active skill, not his stats. :P I'm saying he actually serves a proactive role on the team instead of just being a stat stick.
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This thread has become very serious it's almost like it just came out of reddit.
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![]() | Posted 01-09-2017, 11:22 PM |
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@Coda ... oh lol -rubs back of neck- just when I thought I finally got a handle on reading comprehension xD
Blodin by himself is great for an Aizen team as I mentioned earlier but ML does have better options (well, they're underdeveloped and therefore not so great right now, but still). A monster's standalone greatness needs to be compared with other monsters' standalone greatnesses (oh god that's worded terribly) Like Satsuki, especially when she's max skill--and she's actually sometimes in the evo mat skillup rotation, so it's not as much of a pain to skill her up to that 7-turn CD Also Quote:
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