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Nexess 11-26-2012 02:42 AM

How do you like the story 8D
 
Seriously, for those of you that have been following it how are you liking it so far?

For those of you who just started reading, is it bloody difficult to understand?

GIMME YOUR OPINIONS BABES!

Arikana 11-26-2012 02:48 AM

Yes! Opinions, comments, and critiques are wonderful! So people, come shower us with them!! <3

*tries to summon everyone to event story subforum followed by here* owo

Lestrade 11-26-2012 02:50 AM

I'm a relative newbie and I have no idea how to go about trying to figure out the story from the beginning. Maybe some Cliffs Notes somewhere would be nice >.>

Illusion 11-26-2012 03:04 AM

The story is like trying to decipher an ancient tale on the back of a foreign cereal box.
Granted, I skimmed through the story....
I kept telling myself "Get on with the point! What's going on!!?"
The last events story was compelling to read and made it sound like something exciting was going to happen..

Alpha 11-26-2012 12:54 PM

I'm enjoying the story quite well. Granted, I've only skimmed through past lore (events and what not), but I'm able to follow what's going on fairly well.

*swats at Illu* It's called keeping the reader in suspense....

Arikana 11-26-2012 03:56 PM

Yeah, it would help if people actually skimmed through past event story lines from the transition one. :3 Or even older event story lines if they wanted a better grasp on the characters. But I can't see most people willing to take a little bit of time to do that. :(

Lucid: 11-26-2012 06:56 PM

It's not that I'm not willing to, it's that when I skim, I tend to gloss over all the details and then later realize that I have no idea what just happened. I can only read one story thread a day, if that, and still take in all the information. I'm still slowly reading back over the Deivai event because that one was the hardest for me. I've been here since the beginning so that's made it easier on me for following the plot, but the huge amount of characters and the quick plot twists sometimes get me lost. For example, Ryuko was super awesome and liberating his people, and then everybody turned evil and that's where I got lost, even though I read all the plot threads.

Reyoki 11-26-2012 07:16 PM

And then suddenly today there was a new plot thread with 4 long posts that were apparently made a while ago but seem to have just now been put up for viewing.

The sudden appearance of all those words at once just made me go "..... no" and not want to read it.

I will read it eventually, though. Just... not right now.

Gallagher 11-26-2012 08:42 PM

Most, if not all, scenes are written before they're published, of course, and only releasing them one at a time paces the reading better than having it all there from the start. -nodnod- That 'no' would be a lot worse if we had everything out at the start. Of course, releasing them in single posts would stretch it out for longer than we want the event to be.

I can hardly keep track of things myself. Then again, I care more about what they're all wearing than what they do.

That, and I like to re-imagine the story as I go.

Oh, Dac. You're too old for that cute girl.

Lestrade 11-27-2012 01:58 AM

I didn't even know where the old event storylines were. Heck, I still don't know how to actually find them myself, but espy posted a link in another thread. It's HUGE though, and intimidating, and I just can't bring myself to care enough to actually read it, so I'm going to just view these events as item collecting opportunities >.>

Arikana 11-27-2012 02:13 AM

One story line thread isn't too long. If you're willing to commit yourself to read one per day, you could easily get through them all within a month, at most. :3 Less time if you're willing to read more than one per day.

Don't let laziness or refusal to spend a bit of time each day make you unwilling to read. The past and present writing team has worked hard on writing all the Trisphee story lines for everyone to read. :3 Please don't let our efforts be for naught. ;w;

Lestrade 11-27-2012 02:20 AM

Sorry, I have other stuff to be reading (and writing, and watching, and playing.)

Other people seem to enjoy it though.

Arikana 11-27-2012 02:27 AM

*sighs*

Ah, well.

*shrugs*

If you ever do find you wish to take a break while you're playing, as playing tends to be when one has free time anyways, then do make an effort to read the story lines? >w<

Lestrade 11-27-2012 02:37 AM

^_^* I'm sorry you're taking this so personally. I just don't have interest in it. If it makes you feel any better, I've written tons of stuff that hasn't been read by many people XD

Kamikaze Chinchilla 11-27-2012 02:44 AM

I think it would be easier just to give a summary of the past events. If a person finds one summary that seems to interest them, they can go look back at that story to see that story in detail. The summaries would also help as a refresher for those who've read the story, and helps new users to get an idea of what's going on so they won't be so lost in the event (especially if they're joining in the middle of an event..they're not going to spend a whole month just to catch up with the current plot).

It is an idea, using the summaries. But I'm sure you will be able to figure something that works for everyone. Keeping the writers happy, helping users to understand trisphee a bit more, making pancakes for Kami owo

Quiet Man Cometh 11-27-2012 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucid: (Post 1437394)
It's not that I'm not willing to, it's that when I skim, I tend to gloss over all the details and then later realize that I have no idea what just happened. I can only read one story thread a day, if that, and still take in all the information. I'm still slowly reading back over the Deivai event because that one was the hardest for me. I've been here since the beginning so that's made it easier on me for following the plot, but the huge amount of characters and the quick plot twists sometimes get me lost. For example, Ryuko was super awesome and liberating his people, and then everybody turned evil and that's where I got lost, even though I read all the plot threads.

It's not so much everyone went evil, just Ryuko really. That whole "OMG Maesha killed my first daughter and then when I'm trying to liberate my people Feysha decapitates my other daughter and now they're both dead and there was a war and a bunch of people are dead and I have no kingdom and AAAHHHHHHH!!!" just didn't go over well.

Ryuko's evil kind mangled the twins so they're messed up, and then off in the Divine Realm Dacorum is wandering around without much to do and then arrives this divine vision which tells him things are going to suck, so off he goes to try and do something about it.

There, quick and dirty run-up. Oh, and reading the "Revelation" story in the Trisphee Storybook would also help to understand the "when did Dacorum get back?" thing.

Arikana 11-27-2012 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamikaze Chinchilla (Post 1437761)
I think it would be easier just to give a summary of the past events. If a person finds one summary that seems to interest them, they can go look back at that story to see that story in detail. The summaries would also help as a refresher for those who've read the story, and helps new users to get an idea of what's going on so they won't be so lost in the event (especially if they're joining in the middle of an event..they're not going to spend a whole month just to catch up with the current plot).

It is an idea, using the summaries. But I'm sure you will be able to figure something that works for everyone. Keeping the writers happy, helping users to understand trisphee a bit more, making pancakes for Kami owo

That would be good to have. :3

Though, what's with the 'making pancakes for Kami' part? owo
And what kind of pancakes do you like, Kami? :o

Suzerain of Sheol 11-27-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Man Cometh (Post 1437771)
It's not so much everyone went evil, just Ryuko really. That whole "OMG Maesha killed my first daughter and then when I'm trying to liberate my people Feysha decapitates my other daughter and now they're both dead and there was a war and a bunch of people are dead and I have no kingdom and AAAHHHHHHH!!!" just didn't go over well.

Ryuko's evil kind mangled the twins so they're messed up, and then off in the Divine Realm Dacorum is wandering around without much to do and then arrives this divine vision which tells him things are going to suck, so off he goes to try and do something about it.

There, quick and dirty run-up. Oh, and reading the "Revelation" story in the Trisphee Storybook would also help to understand the "when did Dacorum get back?" thing.

That was actually only the catalyst for his fall, the reason he's become what he is is that in killing Maesha (when he drove his spear through her heart) he sundered the Book of Secrets that she kept secured there inside her breastplate, which held the sum total of the racial magics for the Ascent and the Athiyk. The power that got released bound with the vengeful thoughts within him and effectively recreated his personality as the tyrant we see him as now (and basically stole all the power from both races and secured it within Ryuko). The italicized "voice" that's speaking to him is actually his own thoughts, just parsed through the "divine" perception of himself that he has now.

Anyway, I think it's rather obvious that something needs to be done about the organization of the story for new readers, and summaries are definitely needed (we actually have them laying around somewhere...) As soon as possible, we'll see about getting the Storybook section actually functioning as it should.

Thank you all for your feedback.

Quiet Man Cometh 11-27-2012 01:45 PM

Ah. Must have missed that part.

Reyoki 11-27-2012 01:56 PM

I think I missed that part, too. Where was that bit of information posted before? I don't remember reading anything like that during the Fight for Freedom event or in the few months after it when Ryuko was going through his change. I just remember him suddenly hearing a voice. I don't remember ever reading anything about a magic book.

Suzerain of Sheol 11-27-2012 04:15 PM

I'll be the first to admit that that was an element we handled extremely poorly. There were a lot of issues going on at the time, and the whole idea only got squeezed in at the end of the Fight for Freedom when it was supposed to have been part of it from the beginning.

It is there, though. Specifically, in Feysha's last post in chapter 19 of the Fight for Freedom, and Ryuko's post in the epilogue describes the book being destroyed and the consequences of it. One of Maesha's posts in chapter 19 likewise mentions the Secrets as the magic she uses to face off against Dyten. And then the implication with the Nox 2011 scene with Ryuko was that the voice was the Secrets of sorcery that had been released with the destruction of the book, hence him regaining his magic.

THAT SAID, it was handled very poorly (I can say that because it was my fault, largely, with several contributing factors, but nonetheless), and if there's ever time in the future, a re-write of the Fight for Freedom would go a long way towards making it a more cohesive transition. For now, hopefully the summaries will help once we can get them out there.

Kali_Namir 11-27-2012 09:07 PM

I've been trying to follow the story, and I can sort of, but I simply don't have the time to go through the old events and figure out what happened in what order. I would totally read the entire story (old events included) if we had some kind of compendium within the Trisphee story book that made it easier to read.

Maybe simply moving the stories and sorting them into sub-forums for each even would help. I think the main issue is that it is so time consuming to actually SEARCH for the threads (I know where they are and have looked over them but I still can't entirely figure out what happened when).

Arikana 11-27-2012 10:33 PM

Yeah, I can't wait for the summaries to get out. They ought to really help everyone get a quick rundown of what has happened during past events. >w<

Kali_Namir 11-27-2012 10:36 PM

I like the idea of summaries for the events, but it still would be nice to have the actual event story-lines easier to go through. Like the summaries are gonna be awesome to remind people of what happened before, but the whole story is still necessary to understand all the stories. But that may just be me.

Arikana 11-27-2012 10:41 PM

Well the way I see it if a person enjoys the summary of a certain event, then they can then read into that event's specific story lines. :3

Suzerain of Sheol 11-27-2012 11:15 PM

Ari, if I understand Kali correctly, she's favoring the relocation and reorganization of the old event chapters into a more accessible format in the Storybook subforum. We would put the summaries there as well, to allow for easiest access to both.

This is an idea I'm quite in favor of, unless we find a better solution.

Kali_Namir 11-27-2012 11:42 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I mean we've got that entire forum for the storyline, so why not simply move the posts there in the correct order once the events are done? That may help facilitate more people reading the whole story. I know it would allow me to have more time to read them.

Arikana 11-28-2012 12:23 AM

Oh. I get it now.

And yeah, that would make more sense. :3 Who on earth would be willing to search through the crazy mess of threads that is the 'Past Celebrations' forum? @_@

Kali_Namir 11-28-2012 12:28 AM

Yeah, I mean that's what everyone currently has to do to read the past story and it is a scary and daunting task to any newbie. Heck, I joined this time last year and it was scary then as well! It would probably get the story read if it were easier to find them all.

Illusion 11-28-2012 12:58 AM

I love it how you guys just explained what happened, and then in my mind I was going "Wait... THAT HAPPENED? All I got from skimming/reading the posts is people are walking around talking about non sense and people becoming evil or bad things happening yadia yada."

I'm really looking forward to summaries... I need someone to straight out tell me what happened, I get lost/bored as it is with the storyline because you guys don't skip to the point fast enough for me to remain interested.

Quiet Man Cometh 11-28-2012 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Illusion (Post 1438658)
...I get lost/bored as it is with the storyline because you guys don't skip to the point fast enough for me to remain interested.

Maybe think about that statement for a minute. The purpose behind a story is usually *not* to skip to things, but to show how they got there.


I also think it would be useful to pare the other event threads from the stories in the landfill. The biggest annoyance I find when searching for old stories is not reading up on the old stories but separating them from the other threads that get made during the course of an event. Separating the stories into a subforum has helped a lot with that, but not all the events have that.

Lucid: 11-28-2012 10:33 PM

I think I've finally put a finger on what seems off to me about event stories.

Trisphee events are like episodes of a really complicated TV show (say, Lost). If you don't watch the previous episode and really pay attention, you won't have any idea what's going on.

I like my TV shows to be more like The Simpsons, where every episode has its own contained plot, but many jokes and references are made to past material. I like my events to be that way as well.

I respect that Trisphee has a long and detailed story, but I don't think that events are the way to tell it. Updates to the storybook with Trisphee plot are great. We don't need an event for plot updates to happen. And when we do have an event, it would be so awesome if the event was largely self-contained in its writing material.

Illusion 11-28-2012 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucid: (Post 1439261)
I like my TV shows to be more like The Simpsons, where every episode has its own contained plot, but many jokes and references are made to past material. I like my events to be that way as well.

I'm the same exact way, that's a very good acquisition Lucid.

Yokuutsu 11-29-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suzerain of Sheol (Post 1437997)
That was actually only the catalyst for his fall, the reason he's become what he is is that in killing Maesha (when he drove his spear through her heart) he sundered the Book of Secrets that she kept secured there inside her breastplate, which held the sum total of the racial magics for the Ascent and the Athiyk. The power that got released bound with the vengeful thoughts within him and effectively recreated his personality as the tyrant we see him as now (and basically stole all the power from both races and secured it within Ryuko). The italicized "voice" that's speaking to him is actually his own thoughts, just parsed through the "divine" perception of himself that he has now.

Anyway, I think it's rather obvious that something needs to be done about the organization of the story for new readers, and summaries are definitely needed (we actually have them laying around somewhere...) As soon as possible, we'll see about getting the Storybook section actually functioning as it should.

Thank you all for your feedback.

I love you now. Just so you know...because this ENTIRE TIME....I've been wondering WTF happened to him? (Read that part about the eyeballs and was like whut?)

Mind telling me how that bond slave to Ryuko thing happened? xD (Feel free to PM me that)

Like certain things on this website...I want to know more about...but most stories tend to "remind" you of things more than the story does here to me. I think that's the problem...but Idk

Suzerain of Sheol 11-29-2012 12:45 AM

I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't do Q&A threads for each event @_@

And, I'll answer here in case anyone else is curious. In the Nox Nocturnalis last year, the scene Intercession features Ryuko running into first Falla, then Faust, immediately after regaining his powers by joining his mind with the forbidden Secrets. He is mad with power, feels that he's omnipotent, and to demonstrate that he's more powerful than the gods, he first curses Falla, then enslaves Faust's soul/mind and binds him to his will.

Does that clear things up?

(I appreciate your feedback and questions, also, to note.)

Yokuutsu 11-29-2012 01:26 AM

I swear I read it, but I don't remember that D:

Until the transition one (which I like caught towards the end) I was reading the events T-T

And yes it does :3 Those were the ones I really wanted to know about -nodnod-

Ducky 11-29-2012 05:01 PM

i haven't read any of it! 8D -runs away and hides-

Kristien 11-30-2012 07:50 PM

I started to read it but I didn't understand much, and it's more than a little daunting to read back all the past events, though it's nice that it's all available to look through. I wish there was a little quick-start guide for people who have just joined (like myself) who haven't a clue what's going on.

Quiet Man Cometh 11-30-2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suzerain of Sheol (Post 1439336)
I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't do Q&A threads for each event @_@

And, I'll answer here in case anyone else is curious. In the Nox Nocturnalis last year, the scene Intercession features Ryuko running into first Falla, then Faust, immediately after regaining his powers by joining his mind with the forbidden Secrets. He is mad with power, feels that he's omnipotent, and to demonstrate that he's more powerful than the gods, he first curses Falla, then enslaves Faust's soul/mind and binds him to his will.

Does that clear things up?

(I appreciate your feedback and questions, also, to note.)

Don't forget the "give my daughter back" part. That factored a little bit into the cursing too.

Suzerain of Sheol 12-03-2012 12:17 AM

Just to mention, the last event scene is now up in the subforum. If anyone has any further comments or questions regarding the storyline, we'd certainly appreciate hearing them.


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