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Azrael 05-17-2012 02:17 PM

XD I can't spell in THREE different languages that I can write! Yay for me <3
english, Japanese, OR Korean. Especially Korean... XD

Demonskid 05-17-2012 02:31 PM

xD I wanna learn one at a time and i gave up on english ;3

Azrael 05-17-2012 02:34 PM

LoL
I think my spelling's so bad with Korean cause I'm not entirely certain on how to pronounce things @_@'

Coda 05-17-2012 02:41 PM

Neither! I learned kanji as part of vocabulary instead of standing alone. I would learn a word including how to write it, and that was that. If I came across a kanji I recognized in a word I didn't, that was at least enough information to look it up, and thereby learn another reading for it. But I never focused on practicing "this character has these readings" or "this compound sounds like this".

Korean's pronunciation is very normal and consistent. It's very much like Japanese in that regard. And it's an alphabetic language like English, just organized into written syllables to make it even easier to see the cadence of the word.

Azrael 05-17-2012 03:01 PM

Aaah >3< That would be a good way to learn it practically, but unfortunately for school since we were tested on vocab usually, and Kanji only during final/midterm, there was never any reason to remember the kanji as well as trying to remember the word @_@ But I don't know, I do prefer just learning all of the readings.

I know it's consistent, but I find it very difficult to pronounce. Along with the writing, there's some rules I can never quite remember as well. >3<' Something about the fourth character going over to the next syllable or something like that. I don't remember ;-;

whitexsuicide 05-18-2012 01:34 PM

i wish i could remember the kanji i learned, it was just so much and towards the last year i started to not study and stuff, which made everything harder...

Demonskid 05-18-2012 01:57 PM

Kanji is hard to memorize ._.

whitexsuicide 05-18-2012 02:13 PM

it soo is! then trying to memorize the stroke order UGH... that is the worst!
My sensei really worked us hard on it too..

Demonskid 05-18-2012 02:40 PM

i'll stick with my kana lessons for now ono

whitexsuicide 05-18-2012 02:44 PM

hhahah that is a good thing to do~ I just need vocab re-taught, then maybe some sentence structure

Demonskid 05-18-2012 03:05 PM

x3 I read some of the momotarosu story out loud once.. i sounded horrible xD

whitexsuicide 05-18-2012 03:23 PM

hahaha i think i can pronounce things pretty well except sounara... can't even spell it right >w<

Demonskid 05-18-2012 03:40 PM

sayorana? the one for good bye?

whitexsuicide 05-18-2012 03:42 PM

YES! see how bad i am with that.. it was one of the first words we learned and i still could not say it right! i even had a disk i listened to over and over again and i just couldn't get it~

Demonskid 05-18-2012 05:10 PM

I get the words, that have like similar sounding sounds right after the other, all mixed up xD

Coda 05-18-2012 08:55 PM

「さようなら」。 "Sayounara."

Also: Stroke order is easy. It's the same for every kanji. You write the sections ("radicals") left-to-right, top-to-bottom, and in each section you write the strokes left-to-right, top-to-bottom. The top and right strokes of box-like shapes is a single stroke (like writing the number 7). The only tricky part is knowing when the left and bottom sides are one stroke (like the example below) or two (as in a box) -- and that's just a matter of practice; usually you can tell by the shape of the character. Once you get used to thinking of it this way, you'll be able to write unfamiliar kanji without even thinking about it.

Let's look at this character (tatsu, "dragon"). Looks scary! But it's not. First you do the five-stroke piece on the top-left, then you do the four-stroke piece on the bottom left. Then the really scary-looking part on the right goes in this order:
* Short vertical stroke
* First horizontal stroke
* Second horizontal stroke connected to short vertical bit
* Third horizontal stroke
* Long vertical stroke connected to tail at bottom
* Fourth, fifth, and sixth horizontal strokes


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