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Oh, that. Well, I do largely agree, I honestly feel kind of dumb for putting it the way I did, since as you say, it's rather tautological.
It *does* make me think about what it says about us as a culture (or even a species, possibly) that we gravitate towards "religion" in the institutional sense and largely flee or shun (Ireneus, I'm looking at you!) those system which lead to further self-knowledge and better understanding of the world that we perceive. Almost makes me think of Fulke Greville's "Oh, wearisome condition of humanity/born under one law, to another bound/vainly begot and yet forbidden vanity/created sick, commanded to be sound". Or, also, his lines, "To teach belief in good and still devotion/to preach of heaven's wonders and delights /yet, when each of us in his own heart looks/he finds the God there far unlike his books." Religion almost seems the business of rendering the spiritual earthly and humanized -- and often ugly. Dethroning godhead for the sort mundane minutiae that are the precise opposite of sublimity. In short: going about it entirely the wrong way, in my opinion. Dragging God down to the level of man, rather than letting man aspire to Him. |
I entirely agree. A bit of a pessimistic way of looking at it, but I utterly agree. You should try cup full. It makes the days easier.
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I usually do try cup full. :p
It's only when I sit down to really think about it I go all glass empty. And believe it or not, opportunities to do so outside of monologue are pretty rare. >_> |
Bummer. I understand though, to an extent. Any time I speak of something someone else doesn't want to hear in my family, I'm berated with sarcasm and insults. I tend to be an optimist, but I also have a very sharp sword of a tongue, and I tend to lop heads off at stupidity.
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My issue is finding people to actually discuss such things with. Normally I notice their eyes glazing over through whatever I'm saying and I just get an "uh huh. Ah. Interesting." >_<
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o.o uh-hu... ah... interesting.
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Those looked far more like eyes glazing over in the text box than they did when I actually posted them.
But an actual response, I believe they call it connecting, and it's pretty tough to do, for anyone. |
Don't think I ever posted this here. Had to write a sonnet and went with this as the topic for some reason...
The Archon's Shame It's also over-simplified and almost counter-purposeful to the Gnostic belief structure which favors metaphor over mythology. Oh, well. I know better now. |
Your writing so reminds me of two bands; Heaven Shall Burn and Intestine Baalism. Heaven Shall Burn makes amazing music and has one of the most awe inspiring vocal presence of all time. Intestine Baalism, on the other hand, writes instrumentals that sound like they were written in the blood of bone-stripped angels, though their vocalist is terrible, and their production quality left something to be desired.
I suggest HSB's - Voice of the Voiceless OR Endzeit (I recommend Endzeit first). And I also suggest you check out A Place Their God's Left Behind by Intestine Baalism Needless to say, I enjoy the tone of this poem. It's very roses and blood stained white lace dark romantic feel. Maybe I'm just in a metal mood. |
Will do.
Actually, I think this weekend I'll go on a music sampling extravaganza, since it's been a while and my list is getting pretty extensive. |
Like A Thousand Sons by HSB is also a good one.
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Talk about glass half empty...
This is probably my most cynical poem, written in the throes of anguish at coming to understand Scott Bakker's "semantic apocalypse". I've thankfully recovered since. >_> Don't think I ever posted this here. The Fever of Philanthropy |
I had to look up Scott Bakker's "semantic apocalypse" first, which may have been a mistake, we'll see when I recover.
My god, that was more brutal than deep fried babies. I felt myself get a little more depressed after that, I think I need some chocolate bon bons now. I might go curl into a ball and cry myself to sleep. *snuggles a teddy bear with teary fearful sorrowful eyes (that I don't have) and starts sucking his thumb* No, really, that was brutal. The point was clear, very straightforward, and again, written fantastically. I have to question whether your really just some famous writer playing games with me or whether your genuinely sharing these with me. Have you ever published anything? And also, I liked this piece because it has a particular rhythm to it. It feels like it was written to a ball room dance; a very unhappy one. There are a couple lines in particular that I really appreciate: "just an atheist's consistency, mere entropy made manifest." "A maze of simple solidarity, amazed at serendipity." These lines are very pleasant to the tongue. I really, genuinely enjoy your literature. If you were a published writer, I would wholeheartedly support your career. |
Oh, God, I was not recommending you go look that up. Seriously, you have my condolences.
And, no, you flatter me. I've never had anything published. |
You should, why not?
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Eh... well, for one thing, there's an order of magnitude (or two) more people writing poetry than reading poetry. Sadly, publishing poetry isn't worth much prestige. Plus, a lot of places won't take submissions that have been "published" on the internet already. Also, finding a home for my poetry would be somewhat difficult. I'm not exactly "mainstream:. :|
On the other hand, I would like to get my novels published some day, I just need to finish them... I'm my own worst enemy with that. I end up hating everything I write and just scrapping it and starting over. I also work very slowly on them. >_> Could maybe try to get Diegesis published sometime... |
You know, duotrope that his dandy "reprint" button that you can click and it will search for those magazines that accept reprints along with whatever other details you specify. ;)
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I've never had any luck with Duotrope, I fear. The magazines they suggest always seem so... odd. I really wonder if most of them even get read.
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If you want help with your novels, I would be happy to read them over, edit, and give comments or suggestions. I've been working on two separate novel sized series myself, maybe we could swap stories?
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We could, only... my problem is in opening chapters. I currently intend to rewrite every one I have. Not happy with them at all, they just don't work, and I'm honestly too discouraged most of the time to even try.
I could tell you about what I'm trying to do, though. I think you'd find my planned novel trilogy that I've been doing all this research for especially interesting. |
I would. I would be happy to share my mindless pieces I've so far written on my novels and let you decide from their whether it be worth exchanging. Believe me, I'm more in it for the something to do than I am to actually improve upon your writing. I'm growing quite fond of your writing style, I'm more genuinely interested in reading them, maybe helping you with direction, than in criticizing your work. But if you feel as though your not at a stage to share, perhaps you could just read mine?
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Well, I have stuff I can share, I'm just not entirely happy with it. I don't want to put it up on the forums, either, for the above reasons, so email would be better, especially with formatting.
But, I'll have to just tell you about the trilogy since no work has been done for it. Besides one tiny, minor little scene that likely won't even make it in. But I can put *that* here right now, I suppose. |
I spoke the dialogue aloud because I was excited about it. It sounds very very epic up until the "We are not alone, and we are not to know fright!".
The rest of this is sufficiently powerful in spoken dialogue. That is the only line that felt odd. I would suggest a different word from fright. Other than that, this rather got my blood pumping. |
That's a good point. It does seem weak. I haven't worked on this beyond the first time I sat down to write it, so it will need polishing if it does end up being used.
Glad you liked it, though. In case it wasn't obvious, I was drawing inspiration from Gabriel's reaping of the 185,000 men of Sennacherib with the scythe supposedly forged for him for that explicit purpose during the Creation. Which just seems incredibly badass to me. |
Agreed. Incredibly. Have you ever read Lamentations?
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No, I don't believe I have. What is that?
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The book of Lamentations, in the Bible. You should, you might enjoy it.
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I will do so.
*wonders why he has never heard of such of a thing* |
Pffffft. *coffee spewed all over screen* What?! Your a man?!
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o_O Yeah, why? You thought I was a girl?
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No... >.> <.< *ahem* Right, I posted. Do what you will with it.
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Right, then.
Well, I'm off for the night. Until the morrow. |
Right, until today. A now of later. All that jazz.
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Turmoil in Heaven
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i like your poem :)
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Which one, and why, if you please.
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I feel as though we require more of you, Suze.
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How exactly do you mean?
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I believe we need a shrubbery.
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