@Rose: xD we had an All for one thing in my house that way we all learned from each other mistakes.

Yeah but you don't have to use the belt or paddle or switch to be effective, Cron. And corpral punishment is not for children. I would like to note that corpral punishment is not legal in all states and viewed as child abuse in all of them except the south. The south which I might add that had slaves.

We all have our different views on things and no one has to agree on anything, but you cant simplify something into one category.

Since violence is still very prevalent in this world, I'd have to disagree. Since if violence teaches proper behavior, then violence should have been dimishished by now. Since it is not...and is in fact growing in most cases, I cannot agree that any sort of violence has helped humanity.

it works cause it plays on a simple factor.

You stick your hand in fire...you get burnt. Thus, you don't do it again for fear of getting burnt. That's the force behind physical punishment.

And as i said, she steals OTHERS stuff and break them as well as her own.

My mother recently bought something for herself... within 24 hours... it was taken without her permission by my sister AND BROKEN....

How do you punish that? no money? no computer? what? none of it works... she STILL purposely chops up her books with scissors and loses all the school supplies.

@ Rose: yeah XD and it also taught us the value of snitching but since most of it was done by my brother, my parents soon was able to tell when he was lying. I think that we kinda grew out of our bad behaviors after a while. It just takes time, you can't expect a kid to understand that until they are ready to .

@ Duchess: I only say it doesnt work because I am using my family versus my cousins family for example.My father used violent methods towards us as children until DSS came and threatened to take us away. Now I think because of those time when we were little my sister is a very violent person and she can't keep a job because she always ends up in a fight over the littlest things. She's been to anger management and they have told her its all the rage from not being able to fight back as a child. Where as my cousin is a used to be a spoiled brat but she is growing out of it. Her parents simply took her things away, explaining why she did wrong and how she isn't to do it again. She also has the responsibility of taking care of her little sister. Which in a small way made her realize the world isn't about her.

Its interesting to take a look at the diverse views of things in this group

Duchess, try thinking more objectively. I understand your point. Most us us tend to have violent family memebers ( I know, trust me.) But look at it this way. Are you going to sit there and force a person's hand into the fire and force them to learn that it burns? No you let them learn for themselves, otherwise they might become angry more with you for shoving their hand in the fire.

I dont see your point mirror, Sorry. What your suggesting is not akin to what Duchess has said. Also, you cant assume that because a parent has a good kid, and a bad kid, that they some how screwed up on the bad kid. If someone is spoiled or babied, then they can grow up to be spoiled. If you do not teach them respect, they will not learn respect, and once you pass a certain period of time, simply teaching respect will not result in learning respect, which is where corpral punishment comes in. You need to remember punishment is not equal to violence.

If the parent is not at fault Cron, and something is still wrong with the child, physical punishment is probably not going to help. The child needs professional help not punishment.

nope =]

I don't have any FULL siblings |D I'm an only child.. they are both my half-siblings >_>

By saying "force hand into fire", you are suggesting that her parents are forcing her to steal... no one is forcing her hand into the fire... she's putting it there herself..

also.. by stating to allow her to find out herself... do you suggest we wait until she gets older and the police arrests her for stealing more stuff?? or for vandalizing other properties?

I am VERY objective... in fact.. I'm too objective. I don't care emotionally enough for people *shrugs* sue me. If it were any other child... i'd beat the shit out of them the same =__=

I can't tolerate nonsense.. from ANYONE... Heck.. i frequently scold my OWN PARENTS as if they were unrelated to me -.-

Then we can agree to disagree, because a psychologist isnt a babysitter.
Like I've said I've seen the end results of almost every example above.

I do believe that she is spoilt due to the fact that my parent frequently told me "she's just a child" in response to her wrong doings a few years aback...

Basically she was younger... and I was older.. so I took the fall.. ALL. THE. TIME.. i should know better.. and she's still learning *rolls eyes*

Now it's too late... She thinks that I somehow still should be responsible for her bad deeds... and she frequently starts her rebuttals with "But she did-" ugh.. so dumb... I don't even talk to her anymore =____=

@ Duchess, I think your sister needs to be tested honestly or see a psychologist if shes this bad. Punishing her might only cause her to lash out more.

You completely misunderstood what I said. But I won't bother to go back to that. (Also, all my siblings are half-siblings as well, and I have a violent sibling as well so I understand that point of view. ) All I am saying it that using physical punishment is not the right choice, but that can just be personal.When a child continuously misbehaves, there is usually a reason, and I do not think hitting that child will help the underlying reason behind what they do.

She'll learn her lesson in time.
Or get a reality show like those retards on Jersey Shore.

Cron, I hope to god you never become a parent.

... I kind of skimmed what's going on.
But I'll just throw in my two cents and say that I support corporal punishment IF it's necessary and then explain to the child why they're receiving a bottom-smacking session.

Agreed.

And dont really care if you hope I dont become a parent because I plan too.

With that.. let me clear my view...

I'm not saying beat every child.. hell no. Just some children do not learn any other way...
Granted they are in the minority... but they still do exist.

and sending a 9 year old to a psychologist is a bit much =/ That may do waaay more harm than good.

For me psychological harm is worse than physical harm. A psychologist or counselling should be the last, last, LAST resort... lest you want the child to grow up thinking there's something wrong with them. =w=

exactly.

*walks in the thread, feeling woozy*

Whats up Lauv? (btw, you need something red on your avatar <.<)

Of course. Psychologists should be a last resort, but physical punishment shouldn't be a first. Doctors should only be used for those who cannot seem to grasp what they are doing is wrong after continued attempts at trying to get them to stop. Like i said, there is often a reason behind what children do. Most of the time they learn it from somewhere. The best way to get them to stop is to find where they are learning from and go from there, not to a belt or switch or whatever. I understand the basic concept of corporal punishment, though I personally dislike it, but it should not be more than a light smack on the bottom or a hand. Using things like a belt, switch, etc. is excessive. To me it is violent because things like that tend to have more flexibility and thus can cause more harm when struck against flesh.

Actually, child counselors do work some wonders. Sometimes that kind of setting is necessary to find out what problems are going on and if they are all the fault of the child, if at all. And most of the time the child isn't being interviewed directly, it's the psychologist talking with the parent and then the psychologist taking notes on how he/she interacts with the toys and settings presented to him/her.

Though in order to qualify for certain types of counseling, some evidence of trouble has to be present and not just a tired parent wanting chill pills for an overly-active child. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with counseling, it's what kind you go to and how they go about treating.

@Cron: Wooozy because i has no red on my avi.. D: I'll go fix it now!!

I agree with Coro about the couselors...speaking of which, CORO!!! *tacklehugs* Hiiii

i'm not talking only about the psychologist directly.
There's also a social stigma that surrounds a person being at a "shrink". I should know. I have been to SEVERAL. They have done absolutely nothing for me.

And I agree on the removal of the source of my sister's stupidity. I blame the TV and the Internet. I'm sick out countlessly telling my mother to stop her from watching those american shows that teach self-centered nonsense.

She's picking wrong things... even from the good shows.

She used to watch this.. Dora chick... and this girl would ask the "audience" to answer her question. It's -supposed- to teach kids to think for their self...

my sister however.. learnt to stare at other people and expect them to solve all her problems for her OTL... tv show. FAIL.

If a child is really in need of help and nothing else is working, worrying about their future rep should be the least of ones worries. Besides...most adults these days see shrinks daily anyways...though I hope kids won't have to end up like that...ugh sometimes i think the world is in a bad place right now

You should edit that to say

"most adults these days see shrinks daily anyways.... in my country"

In this country.. it's illegal to have anal sex. Just sayin' So no.. that doesn't qualify where I'm from.

*comforts Lauv*

LOL. Just saying that there's a drastic cultural difference as well ~w~

*ish now back with the redness*
and rose, rape is rape. If a guy doesn't want it, but sex is forced into him, it's called rape. Same charges would go to the aggravator. You sound really sexist with that remark.

Mirror! -catches and falls over-
@w@ Hiiii~ <3

Being the only guy in here and not finding it sexist at all, I hereby rule it isnt.

She simply meant, in the U.S there is no actual law that can convict a woman of raping a man.