now that's a smart way to look at it, waiting for both yourself and for him to grow up. but I do know that there are boys under 25 who are very mature and grown-up. one of my best friends just turned 17, and he has the maturity of a 70 year old. and some boys just never mature, no matter how old they get. it might be hard to find the mature, responsible ones sometimes, but once you do, it's easier to find more.

Me too...in real life people screw up and get some nasty shit. It happens even to those who are really careful. Condoms and shit. It's not 100% guarantee. Not that tempting. :B

BTW, I'm not trying to fight with you, I consider this healthy debate...

Congratulations on finding exception then, Bina. C: Like I said, I am sure there are some somewhere. And I hope to meet such exception one day, too, someone who understands even written making out is betrayal of the other (then you could as well say that playing sex site between sleeping with your wife is just spending a good time, too, or having a lover is, too) in a way.

Oh, I am not arguing either, just expressing my opinion. What is the point in arguing, if we both will keep our thoughts? That's each personal freedom.

In a way, these talks and Internet as a whole, shows me what I want to sse in my boyfriend and what I certainly won't be able to stand in a person, or a guy.

Use Wikipedia.

even I am a lot more affectionate online than I am in real life. I mean, I was licking and nibbling on Dem the other day, and that's not something I'd do in real life... online I pounce, I hug, I snug, I throw boob pudding. offline, I mostly just hug my closest friends.

My sister reads yaoi manga, which includes men having sex. She's like 26 and her boyfriend doesn't seem to mind at all. <_<;

I've already talked to Sage, and she agrees, it's all joking around. As long as it never goes pasts little cuddles and such..she doesn't give a crap..and knows that, the moment it bothers her? It shuts down immediately... My girlfriend is 15, I'm not even allowed to see her unless we sneak in a meeting, and I'm 19. I have NO desire to have sex with her, at this moment, and also have no thoughts of leaving her...

No, I am actually more interested if the word exists in British English. I don't wanna get too tied up to the American words. And I didn't find the word in my dictionary that's why I am wondering. ;^;

siiiiigh. relationship talks again.

-scurries underneath her couch cushion and searches for more nickels.-

@Yuki:

They exist. Cufflinks have been around since the invention of formal shirts. Try separating the words into "cuff link" or "cuff-link".

If it makes you feel any better, I have never been in one either.

@Yuki:

Indeed!

@Bina:

I already had foodtimes. Delicious salad. :E

Well, Hermes, these are fruitless talks and I think only time will show who of us will be able to be happier after, say, 10 years, who will be still able to be faithful, happy and love, not changed them self in spare change.

With this, I end this conversation from my end.
-joins Plushie in treasure hunt-

**throws a cushion at wiggles**

my boyfriend is relatively possessive and really shares Rainy's opinion on relationships to the t. But he just joined Trisphee this morning so now he gets to deal with all my (relatively tame) online shenanigans. XD

Well I'm not going to say how I'm attracted to personality first, cause frankly, I normally only approach a girl in the first place if I like how the girl looks. But I've been single for 4 years now, I'm a virgin, and I have more girl friends than guy friends that I talk to on a regular basis about any and everything. Yes, when I was dating my ex we were very physical, we never had sex though. Now I am 4 months from turning 22, and more mature than I was then.

Also I keep getting distracted by things so my post is probably a little late.

Sadrain, that was seriously hurtful...I tried to just have a pleasant debate, and you attacked me personally...Sage has been wathing, and even she thinks you're going overboard...

How do you get physical without getting physical? o.O;; *isn't a virgin, so can't understand this concept -at all-*

Also: Sadrain, a relationship lasts only as long as both persons want to continue it. That, and true love knows no bounds, and helps one forgive any and all wrongs with little more than a bat of the eye. Heck, I forgave a guy for not just cheating on me, but having a baby with someone else.

No one can say for certain what the future holds, and to try and assume.. well, kharma is a *****..

Edit: Also, you really shouldn't say something that offensive and then "drop it" without giving a person a chance to defend themselves. That's as bad as godmoding, and counts as harassment.

Wow...no...I'd never forgive anyone who cheated on me. x_X If he got a child with someone else...I'd chop off his rod. >:B

We'd make out, always hugging, always touching in some way when together, and did some actions but not the main action...

I wasn't personally attacking you, I said what I would have to told to anyone who was saying things you did, guy or girl.
When you first joined, I thought you were quite pleasant and interesting and it would be fun to talk with you, but then you opened your Harem. I personally don't care what you do there, but it just shows certain side of you.
I am simply different than Sage, apparently, I cannot believe someone who would "play" with 10 girls online and then come hug me, telling that he loves me more than his own life when he says that. I think that all actions online are just as real as those in real life and that's why it's even sadder that it all is made so cheap here, even cheaper than it already is in real life.
I am simply expressing my opinion, about such people, not only you, because I can talk about it from personal experience. And if you're hurt about my words, don't you secretly think I might be right?

Oh, and Vaidurya, who is standing up for that girl, then? Who is helping that girl and her child now? That's just side factor, maybe, since you have generously forgiven him?

Lol, Senyuki, I wouldn't need/want someone like that, too. I think I would be ashamed he has ever been my boyfriend. >.> I would understand it only if he really loved that girl, but not returning back to me.

Sadrain, if I called you an evil b**** who would never be happy because you didn't really love anyone because I said so, wouldn't that be insulting? You've basically said that about me.

And yes, you DID make this an attack on me. You even used my name. If you're going to do stuff like that, at least stand by it.

It's not for you, someone who has never met me or Sage, to decided who I really am. The harem is a friggin joke. Do you know what a joke is? It's something fake, that at least one person find humor in. AKA, not anything I take seriously, or would ever really do. Do you think all actors who play in romantic movies are cheaters, then?

-rustles around under the couch cushion.-

Hmm... button. Lint. Hey, a potato chip! :B

Oh wait.

(Mod Mode: ON)

Any more fighting in here, and I'm shutting the whole conversation down, guys. It doesn't matter if you intend to insult/hurt another person on this site, mind what you're saying and try to think about it from the other person's perspective. If you think it might cause harm, don't say it, no matter how much you think it needs to be said.

You can continue on if you act civilized with one another, but don't do anything else to push the buttons of those around you.

Yeah...this is turning out too serious...we don't need any more fighting in here. It might look like a debate to some for for the ones really involved it's not funny...

Yuki: Like I said, love can overcome all things.

Sadrain: There are some key details you're neglecting here. Firstly, everyone is different. Secondly, some people are more trusting of their partners than others. Honestly, I've been dating a guy exclusively for three years now, and I'm still not allowed to visit the houses of my male friends without a chaperone. You see, some people are really insecure. If you don't love yourself, then you can't truly love another without placing limits on their activities with their friends.

And I want to know.. how on earth is hugging someone a way of cheating on them? And yes, I've seen where Hermes emotes "going off to do naughty unspeakable things".. but he does it only for laughs, and the Harem was carried over from another site. It was originally a list of people who were his best friends on the site, but as the number grew and grew, the girls in it started joking that it was like his personal harem, and.. The name stuck. Just because it's called a harem, doesn't mean he's sleeping with them all.

I said "we will see", I didn't claim you will be unhappy. Maybe I was wrong, and then we will see. If you want to see it the "I attacked you" way, oh, but please. I know I will be happy, though. Because I am "evil b----", not "giving in slu-". I know how to protect my self and stand up for my self.

Well, you are all not respecting that I AM and CAN be different, too. For me, it is not joke, I look at relationships and Internet too seriously. But I don't force him to think like me, I offered to end this talk a long time ago. Hermes asked for my opinion, I expressed it, he didn't like it and thought I was insulting him. But I wasn't.

I wasn't saying you were one, at all. I like you. XD

And...yeah, Vai just gave you the history of the harem. I dun sleep with people. ^^;

Vaidurya@ It's good for you that you think that but I completely disagree. I don't consider it "lovely" enough if someone would that to me.

Oh, now that's just in bad taste. Slinking down to paraphrasing and namecalling. The only point I'm trying to make is, you should never wish bad things on someone's relationship, no matter how poorly you see its condition. Especially if you don't personally know both parties involved.

And, with that my last line, I believe it's time for Johnny to do something about the words you used, yet poorly censored. >_>

@Vaidurya:

Where Yuki freaked out about the cheating thing, I'm gonna go ahead and freak out about the "not being able to go anywhere" thing.

Nooooo freaking way would I allow my boyfriend to designate who I could and could not see, be friends with, or visit. I'd drop that sack of potatoes the first instance of jealousy. I don't tolerate that shit at allll.

Vaidurya, I didn't call anyone besides my self that badly censored word, did I (I didn't say that that or that person is "this and that". if you want to think I was meaning someone certain, it's not my problem)? XD Am I not allowed to insult my self anymore, lol?

Yuki: I didn't like the fact he did it to me. In fact, I was irate and completely dropped all contact for two years. But.. I really loved him. I still do. It takes less time to forgive someone than it does to stop loving them. Oh, and if it's any consolation, that's part of the reason I sure as beep am not with him now. I know that he treated me however he wanted to, and I know I was the perfect doormat because I loved him too much to be mad at him, and.. well, that's just unhealthy!

And Sadrain, you will have to stop taking the internet so seriously. This is not a dating site, so any "e-flirting" going on here is assumed by everyone to be a joke.

Also, this is a final warning. You guys kiss and make up or I'm going to get srs-mod all up in here.