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They look flat and the anatomy is meh, but nice attempts I guess, probably better than what I could do anyway. Maybe work more on your proportions and anatomy.

Keyblade, I have only been drawing people for 3 weeks now. My first attempt at it with out making stick people or bubble people. XD

-blinks-

Boobs, hm? That is the fun part about drawing female's chests.. no one has the same style or preferences.. some people love to draw their females with huge boobs, samples in most of your animes, etc while some, like me, more prefer the smaller boobs.

But sometimes this also depends on a few other factors:

1} clothing style.. some types of clothes work well with smaller busts while other tops suit bigger busts.

2) pose.. sometimes even a smaller bust will look larger depending on the pose your female is in.. like if someone was looking down her top, etc.. also the same with a larger bust.

3) body shape, etc.. this one kind of explains itself..

Personally, it's all practice, I'll upload my WIP a bit later for you to see my style. :3

Clothing styles and body shape I understand and get, but of course when it comes to boobies, they end up big. I try drawing them small and erasing and such, but once I get to the computer, big boobies.

Also I guess it could be the shading and such, like where on the chest do shading come out. It is difficult, yet I'm willing to learn.

I would like to see how it works and such, like in detail where the shade should be make, etc. I know of the light and everything, but when the boobies come into play, it's difficult on how to shade around them and shape them with the light.

Of course, I would like to see a bit on your work, prehaps get a few ideas on it and be able to make to switch. Make my boobies not seem as big and huge. XD

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps7ab6ac79.png

Here's a wip of mine at the moment. :3 Would that be the size of boobies you want? Cause I find once I start shading certain areas, the size changes. What may be too big, actually turns out to be just right.

Also, if needed, I'll go and grab some tutorials.. my art is done straight on computer.. not by hand but I have found tutorials to help with both.

That's actually seems a hell of a lot smaller then my big boobies I make. I actually like that size better. XD

-chuckles- Let me find another sample. Not sure what your learning style is but I found glancing at other people's work to help me when I'm stuck on certain areas.

Also, if in doubt, ask another artist to look at the art. I use to bug my friend on another site with each piece and she was like, your getting good after pointing out things I needed to fix or not sure if there is thread like this but me and another group of people use to have a thread called 'Red Lines'. Basically people would post WIPs and someone would take the piece and using the red pencil on their choice of programs, hence the name red lines, they would mark suggestions on the WIP for the artist to fix certain areas. The artist didn't have to go with the suggestions, merely it was to show what could be improved and all.

and on that note, I found these so I'll use them as my samples.. since I can't go back and edit them no more, I can be like.. o 0 my style was crud back than and feel totally fine about it..


The actual WIP.. I usually never keep WIPs but in case, kind of glad I did.. and glancing at it, the chest without any shading details does look bigger than I intended it to be.. This was one of the small sketches I had done of my OC, Chloe back when I wasn't sure what the hell the poor girl looked like... and there is no way she has a big chest..


The end result.. after adding in the shading and other small details, also remember.. unless your drawing the character naked.. how the clothes lay around the chest could also make the chest appear bigger than the actual size cause unless the girl is wearing tight ass clothes that are hugging her boobies like pythons..

:p-cute: Hope that helps a little bit. And as promised:

^ ^ This tutorial shows some more boobie samples but cause it's basically about how to draw females, might aid you more.

Oh, okay. I understand how things are. It is a bit easier to understand and learn visually, like me. ^.^ Chest do seem hard, to make small still, but I believe with more practice, I'll have them small and a decent size that other's would like.

To be honest.. most people want huge boobies.. o 0 don't know why.. kind of wastes the beauty of the OC if her boobs are too big in my opinion.. I find small to medium always work best.. but than living with erm.. I kind of don't have to sit there and be like.. I want big boobies on my OCs.. -and no.. my boobies are not going to be shown to anyone who wants references.. o 0;-

Haha, yes, I understand that.

I have tried to draw a friend's OC and she talking me down on my art work, saying I made her OC's boobies too big, then I did another one of her OC's with small boobies and she told me her OC was a young girl, played at age 12. XD

So I am very much lost when it comes to boobies on any female.

-chuckles- Say what?

One of my OCs is 13 and if anyone draws her having boobies, I will be like... -eyebrow arches- Kinky much you pervs?

Takes alot, and I mean alot of practice.. I honestly can't draw males, I keep wanting to give them boobies. XD -Sorry Jay, I guess your a cross dresser, finishes drawing Jay in a dress- ^ ^;

Oh wow... XD

I don't know, I think males are the easiest. You got the broad shoulders, the muscle toned arms and legs, with a flat chest. If you really want to get into it, give them a little bumps with shade to show they are more then flat. Shows the tone of the muscles, and if too much, show their chubbiness. XD

I'm very old fashioned.. I just can't see a thirteen year old with a chest.. or a real one.. maybe a bra stuffed with tissues?

XD One of these days, I'll get the hang of the males. I know I have one waiting to be drawn so maybe.. -please Kag don't kill me if looks like Advent has boobs.. D: than again, maybe he's a secret cross dresser? Yea, that's it... ^ ^'-

Cross dressing for every one. ~^.^

Haha.. when in doubt.. just draw them in a dress and give them boobs. XD

but back to being serious... I think certain ages do benefit from boobies and others don't.. anyone younger than thirteen, in my mind, won't be getting boobies.. I know kids get them when they are younger these days.. but than, are you going to draw an eight year old looking wearing clothes someone in their twenties would wear?

Yes, eight year old defiantly wouldn't have boobies. But I think around the pre-teens younger girl may have them. Like 11, 12, 13. But not really big ones.

This was the other one I did for a friend and she got up set that it had boobies when she is only 11/12 Young looking Neko

Now I tried to fix it, by making her shirt more darker, more black, even though the shirt was to be black anyways, but my black is usually lighter to use shade. This one I did without it and just tried to make her seem still young.

-nods-

I could understand that and I quite agree but again depends on the owner of the OC as well.. I have had people be like, I want huge boobies on my art.. o 0 like.. okay.. erm.. -sticks in pile for when in mood to do huge boobies-

Yes, It does depend on the owner of the OC. Just sometimes they only have details of what they want and it gets a bit harder to do them without references. Those are the ones I try to stay away from, unless they have reference to what they wear and such, especially how their hair is styled... XD

You say long hair, I could do long hair and yet, they would be like no she doesn't have bangs. XD

On a side note; My boobs started growing when I was 8 and they got pretty big pretty quickly.. so screw logic with a jackhammer.

Yes, true with most of our bodies being different and doing things out of sorts. But it's people who have oc's that tell us their lives and they don't have boobies... XD

Where I just suspect hitting pre-teens there would be something showing. lol

I swear my life is dictated by hentai logic.

Could be... Could be... Maybe you were a creator of it in your pass life. XD

Sounds legit. It'd explain a lot.

Well yes, it would. Though one would never know really.

It's so hard to figure it all out.

So keep an open mind about everything. lol

I generally do.

Then your set.

You were a hentai creator in your pass life, which I believe you were a male in your past life, wishing you were female making you what you are today...

Okay too much of an open mind I have.

But I'm now wishing I was male half or more of the time...

Join the club. XD

I didn't have boobies till my last year of middle school and now guys are like, you have big boobies and I'm like.. times like these I do wish I was a male..

but yea.. people have certain views they view their ocs, pretty normal to me. XD Hence why I'm like.. refs only.. or no art.

I'm actually Genderqueer, Dawn.

Ah.. I'm not genderqueer.. I have had thoughts wondering what it would be like to be male but I honestly quite happy being a female..

It's not fun, a lot of people have beaten me because of it.. eheh..

I wouldn't of.. that is your choice, nothing I can say or do is going to change it.. I have had friends openly admit to being gay to me and I'm like, hey, that's cool. Doesn't change who they are, than why let it bother me? Hell, I'm still not sure if I'm straight or not.. I mean, don't get me wrong.. I am wanting a relationship with the guy I have feelings for right now.. but it's kind of hard since I'm in Scotland and he's in the USA and neither of us have the money for a plane ticket to visit the other.. while if he came here it would be visit, for me, I could stay in the USA. Dual Citizenship ROCKS!

Genderqueer? May you tell me what that is or how it works?

I get lost now with the whole I'm gay, I'm a lesbian, I'm bi-sexual, I'm a tranny.... Okay, the tranny thing is another I don't get. lol

But I'm happy as things are, I don't care if you like someone else because of who or what they are, as long as your friends with me and open about it, but not rubbing it in my face... I'm happy for you.

Hm? You are? May I ask what..."kind"? (That might've been too personal. Don't worry about telling me if you're not comfortable with it.)

Hm, okay. The gay/lesbian/bisexual stuff is self-explanatory...those are based on sexual orientation and not a choice. I'm not sure whether you mean transsexual or transgender by "tranny"; they're two different things.

I see no reason for people to rub their sexual orientation in another person's face...That's actually slightly...creepy. Most people tend to keep quiet about it, especially the sexual orientation-based things. The gender-based things are a bit more obvious, especially in real life.

...-cough-

Transsexual I was going for.

I had to gay friends in highschool, one was a girl and one was a boy. The girl wasn't bad for pushing it in your face saying she was gay, etc. Except I find on FB she is all saying support this, be alright with that, straight people aren't all that it is... Etc. I'm fine with people that are, I don't have a problem with it at all. Hell, I'm bi-sexual at times. Why I say at times, because I am very open and I have dated the same sex a couple times, but I don't think it's enough proof to say I am bi-sexual.

As for the guy in highschool, he was all set on doing a G-S alliance, but I think it came down to it being all about him. He was always pushing the fact of it just being a gay alliance with straight people apart of it. He was widely open about it and I think that's what got to me. It's like yes, we know your gay, but you don't have to go and tell everyone about it, every single day. I guess that's what got annoying to me.

I just think that some people should tone it down a bit and not rub it in my face. I'm not going around and rubbing it in their face that I am straight, maybe bi-sexual, but still. It just gets on your nerves when it happens every day.

I'm sorry if this offence anyone, I am just saying that I am happy that you are who you are, and will be with anyone and to make them happy. Everyone deserves to be happy.

Well, I don't feel fully female or fully male even though my body is blatantly that of a female and I was even pregnant..

I most days I want to just curl up and not go anywhere or look in a mirror because I'm not a man and yet I don't think I could ever go through transitioning due to the fact I don't feel fully right as a man. I always have people saying, "You're a beautiful young woman you should act/dress like it." But I don't feel like a woman most of the time and I don't even feel beautiful thanks to a life of being called ugly by 90% of the people I've met. I've even asked people, "How would you feel if I became a man/was born a male?" Most of the time the answer is quite negative..

I have one person who actually supports me aside from my homosexual uncle who lives on the mainland. I could keep going but the rest is better to tell you in the privacy of skype.

I agree with you there, Espy.. too many people flaunt they are 'gay' or 'lesbian' and it's like.. that's nice.. really don't give a shit..

If the topic comes up in conversion, than I'm fine discussing it.. I love hearing other people's views. I know some people are going to be like, your 27 and don't know if you want to be with a guy nor girl.. to be honest, with my family and their views, that's something I can't openly say cause I know if I dated a female, it would be frowned on.. but I also can't say I am not attracted to males cause obviously I am..

Hm...okay. Transsexual is often related to the medical issues of gender reassignment. Its most extreme definition would be used to describe a person who feels like they're a man trapped in the body of a woman (just this could also be described as transsexual, sex being the opposite of the gender), and undergoes surgery to alter his/her physical attributes.

But then again, these definitions keep changing, so...

Yeah...If you're gay, then alright, fine, you're gay. Not a big deal. Don't make it a big deal. It's not a big deal if a person's straight, so why should it be any different for LGBT people?

...Well, that's my opinion.

Being widely open about this stuff's fine by me; I don't need to be reminded every day that you might just feel that you're more special than I am because you're LGBT and I'm not.

I find that to be infringing on my comfort with being who I am.

Double post coming up because I don't want people to have to face walls of text...Shhh.

To be honest, I don't give a damn whether people think of me as a guy or a girl. I'm rather androgynous physically, have a low voice, can swap easily between speech styles, and enjoy confusing people. I guess I'm fortunate in that regard.

There are days when I walk into a bathroom and get funny looks. Those are the good days. They make me laugh.

-chuckles- My version of that last question. Oh boy. I've asked my parents that before; the reply was also pretty negative. I don't think they understood why I asked them that. I mean, my dad thinks LGBT people are strange and should just do their thing quietly. My mom's a bit more open to this, but she still thinks I should act more like my assigned sex. Ahaha. I've had too much practice walking on the line between male and female, though, and I enjoyed treading on that boundary.

Hey, I fully support you. Don't worry about what other people think. Nothing is real, everything is permitted.

Maro, that is a lot of self-conflict I see there. No one should go through that much conflict against themselves. I feel sorry for you, really I do. I think I have been there before in my life a few times, being who I am then wishing I was born something else and actually being that person, yet still wanting to be who I am. Lots of conflict, I know how it feels, yet I just stick to who I am physically and just live it out. I would want to go under any changes because I may not be happy and want to be back to the way I was born.

Dawn, I am like you in a way. If the topic comes up, it's alright to discuss it, see other people's views. I am fine with that, actually I would like to voice my views and not be shun down upon because of my views.

Espy, yes, it does make me feel uncomfortable because someone else is going I'm gay, love and support me. Where it's like, I'm straight, look down on me then. It does reach a comfort zone with me with it all, but that is probably why I felt comfortable dating the same sex, yet it never went anywhere but kissing and making out.