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Illusion 12-03-2012 02:10 AM

Suze.... I have a question...
EXPLAIN WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED DURING THIS EVENT FOR ME. O.e...
All I got from this is Fenrir and Zypher are back, and met each other. (Quick question, are they lesbians or sisters or something?) And Falla and Faust are evil.

I'm at a lost...

Arikana 12-03-2012 02:26 AM

It's Zephyr. >.>
Zypher is an old user on here. :3

And Fenrir and Zephyr are lesbian lovers. Falla and Faust aren't evil, though Faust has been enslaved by Ryuko who is evil. But on their own, the two twins aren't evil.

Suzerain of Sheol 12-03-2012 11:34 AM

That wasn't actually a question, Illusion....

Nonetheless.

First, Zephyr and Fenrir have been lovers since the Taskal War. I'm not sure how that caught you off-guard.

And Ari, that's not entirely true, though I honestly hate talking in terms of "good" and "evil" since they're incredibly simplistic. Falla and Faust have both been tremendous traumatized by what Ryuko's put them through, and have been fundamentally changed as a result. Even if Ryuko's hold over Faust were to be broken, he would be a very changed person for it; the possession has infected his very sense of identity on the most basic level, and that's never really going away. Falla has become bitter, hopeless, and in many ways merciless because she has been pushed beyond every extremity. It has nothing to do with the curse on her, in that sense; she's just become willing to do anything at this point to bring Ryuko down and save Faust. It's hard to call either of them "good guys" at this point.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what was so confusing about the event story. The Nox Nocturnalis is obviously going on, Pandora is holding a massive celebration in Isremme (the capitol city of Quesaria). She has a tender, hopeful moment with Feysha in the royal gardens early on.

Falla tries to summon the souls of the dead from the last year to Toamna, but the curse on her prevents the magic from working and instead tears down the spirit-gates to Toamna. She loses all hope and drags Niya's soul out from the legions of the dead, meaning to use it against Ryuko. So, she sets off to Quesaria with Niya in tow to try and get help from Pandora, since she's kind of helpless on her own, as we've seen. She knows that her curse will ruin anyone she comes near, but she's beyond desperate at this point.

Faust has been left alone in Ryuko's empty kingdom on Quesaria, while Ryuko has been off dealing with stuff on Deivai for the past several events. As the Nox begins, he goes out in a twisted mockery of his old purpose and reaps the souls of the dead on Quesaria, enslaving them as Ryuko has enslaved him, to populate Ryuko's realm as a gift to his master. Afterward, he continues his quest to try and open the gates to the Corrupt Realm for Ryuko and summons the spirit of Braen from the void. Death has driven Braen mad, and Faust can get nothing out of him, so he enslaves him as well, believing that Ryuko will be able to open the way through him, since he was the former god of the Corrupt.

That leaves Mirothea, who is the savior Dacorum saw in the vision Fenrir gave him. If Fenrir's role is confusing you, after she was killed by Braen during the Fight for Freedom, Lunae scooped her up from the void and reconstituted her in the Sentinel realm and began training/empowered her to be a new Sentinel. After that, Lunae fell into an unwakeable slumber of prophecy, foreseeing everything that was to come, her last act to pass the visions onto Fenrir, who was now the chief acting Sentinel. Due to the Sentinel's mandate to maintain the cosmic balance, Fenrir could only pass the vision to Dacorum, her most trusted ally from before, and hope that the prophecy would come true.

Enter Mirothea, chosen by Lunae, or perhaps by fate, to inherit the crown of Divinity and take Fenrir's place, as well to stand against Ryuko's darkness. As far as any of them know, she's the only hope of stopping him. So, Dacorum goes to collect her for her destiny, only to find that her parents are rather disagreeable about him taking their daughter away. They work it out, though, and they start off on their journey. Dacorum unfortunately didn't get any specifics with the vision, so he's rather at a loss for what to do, so he decides to bring her to see Pandora, hoping to both find news of what's been going on in the royal court, and to get a safe haven where Mira can be trained for what she needs to do.

...and that should just about cover it.


Edit: Oh, right, Fenrir and Zephyr. Fenrir sees that Ryuko is about to gain access to the Corrupt realm, which is where Zephyr has been living, and she can't bear the thought of Ryuko enslaving her, so she steps in and brings Zephyr up to the Sentinel realm to rest and heal in a crystal tomb, believing that she has truly suffered enough at this point. It's a minor violation of her role as a Sentinel, Fenrir is still very invested in her personal emotions, unlike the more dispassionate Lunae.

Illusion 12-03-2012 07:12 PM

Considering that I wasn't able to even understand that any of that was happening in the story shows me just how complicated the writing/story itself actually is.

Gallagher 12-03-2012 07:40 PM

Maybe Illu should settle for Galla translations next time.

Arikana 12-03-2012 07:50 PM

What is the Galla translation? o.o

Yokuutsu 12-03-2012 10:49 PM

Didn't even know half of those names being used, partially due to not being around during the Taskal war and having no idea what it was about...other than a war obviously. (I can barely get myself to read the story line for some reason-Faust, Falla, and Ryuko are the only ones I'm interested in-I don't even know what a sentinel is XD)

Lestrade 12-07-2012 01:54 AM

I couldn't even keep sense of that summary. I think there are too many characters, honestly.

Suzerain of Sheol 12-07-2012 08:34 AM

Faust
Falla
Pandora
Feysha
Mirothea
Dacorum
Fenrir
Zephyr
Lunae
Niya

Only about half of whom have anything resembling a major role in this event story. I don't know about you, but my favorite stories tend to have on the order of 100 to 1000 characters; I don't think 10 is particularly much to ask a reader to keep track of. I find it unlikely that's the focal issue at all, more so the interwoven backstory of the last 6 or 7 events that this story is building off of. This is, literally, the middle of the story, it's rather to be expected that someone looking at it out of context won't be able to grasp the situations very easily.

I insist, though, that the number of characters is not the prime contributing factor towards inaccessibility. We only have something on the order of 50 NPC accounts on the site, period, and maybe half of those have a role in this plot. That... is not that large of cast. And I'll contend as well that the plot is no more complex than the most average specimens of this genre; pick up any science-fiction or fantasy novel and you'll, on average, encounter a similarly-structured ratio of cast-to-events (though the popular, "epic" doorstopper series tend to weigh that average toward stories far more complex than Trisphee's.)

I wonder if, perhaps, the expectation coming into the site's story is part of the issue. I honestly have no idea what you guys expect it to be structured like, but its (as implied) conceived as a novel (by closest comparison). That might be part of the barrier, I suppose.

Yokuutsu 12-07-2012 12:29 PM

The problem is that, if it is meant as a novel, it is not in one place where a person can just sit down and read it, it is currently in multiple forums, and the order is not specified unless it is supposed to be specified by the order of threads. That could also be perceived as a problem as well.

Arikana 12-07-2012 01:05 PM

But there's not enough characters on here for the story to be a novel. >.>

I feel like the complexity is sort of there, but something feels missing. Something I can't put my finger on at the moment. @_@

Suzerain of Sheol 12-07-2012 01:27 PM

Yokuutsu, we're working on getting things in order, it hopefully shouldn't be too much longer before it's better organized, which should help out a lot on that front. We'll have summaries available, too.

Ari, I'm not sure why you think that. There's no character minimum for a novel, my own novels only have a cast of 10 to 15 or so; it'd be possible (and I'm sure someone's done it) to write a novel with only one character. Or even none. :O

Arikana 12-07-2012 02:24 PM

Yeah, I know. But I like having more. I personally enjoy having many different facets characters to play with. I mean, sure, it's more work, but I just enjoy it more. X3

I'm weird, and possibly kind of crazy, like that. >.>

Illusion 12-07-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arikana (Post 1447483)
But there's not enough characters on here for the story to be a novel. >.>

Your kidding.... Right? o.e....
Theres enough characters to write 3 separate novels! *runs off and hides*

Nexess 12-07-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illusion (Post 1447854)
Your kidding.... Right? o.e....
Theres enough characters to write 3 separate novels! *runs off and hides*

Ah, no there isn't actually.

Quiet Man Cometh 12-07-2012 08:59 PM

Depends on the novel. ;)

Fauxreal 12-07-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

As a newish, though not entirely new person - let me lay it on you.
~ There are years of events to read back and figure out what happened. YEARS. Yes, I would love to go read it all, I'm a person that loves to read. But When you come to a new site - I myself, though I wanted to know the story - These items are amazing. I felt I could not spend time reading years of back story. They story keeps going and I can't even keep up with the new story, because I have not read the back story.

Don't get me wrong, I think it'w wonderful that this site has a plot and characters and people who love them and I know I'm probably the minority in having not read the whole story.

But for new people - it's freaking intimidating!

First you have to get used to a new avatar, new people, new items, the avatar system (which is the freaking best I've come across by the way.)

Plus - how can you spend time catching up when you need to post to get money for these great items.

I have a limited time to be on site. And I want to spend it getting items not read back story.

I'm just trying to be honest.

Now, maybe if someone (you seems to have a few writer here) were to write a overview. And I'm not talking about another novel, I'm talking main bullet points - and this is list that needs to be kept up for new people from here on in. Something short and sweet. That. That a person can catch up with and then be able to get into the story line going on now.

Thanks and I hope important people read this.
I wrote this in a different thread but I want people to hopefully read it a bit. Thanks!

Quiet Man Cometh 12-07-2012 10:53 PM

Short answer Faux, we're already on it. ;). Can't get this stuff done over night though. As said, there's a lot of it.

Lestrade 12-08-2012 02:58 AM

There are definitely a TON of characters when they're all dumped on you at once. When reading a novel generally only a few characters are introduced at a time. If too many are introduced at once it's really overwhelming and hard to follow.

Also I tend to read novels with fairly small casts, I guess. When I think about the last few novels I read, which was basically the complete works of E.M. Forster, they were basically all slice-of-life stories with only a handful of main characters and a small supporting cast. But it's honestly moot; the number of characters in a novel alone doesn't mean anything, it's how they're used. Personally, when I try to read just this event, I'm left confused because there are a ton of people and I can't keep them straight at all. They also all have pretty weird names that I don't find very easy to remember.

I mean, obviously that's just my opinion and you guys are certainly under no obligation to just please me. I'm just trying to explain why I feel the way I do.

Arikana 12-08-2012 03:00 AM

The books I'm reading right now aren't even novels, actually. They're non-fiction, but I love them just as much since they're quite entertaining all on their own. X3

Nexess 12-08-2012 03:24 AM

There is 57 scenes from the old events. All of with have been chaptered and put in the storybook :| YOUR WELCOME! I SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF MY LIFE MAKING IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THIS BEAST OF A STORY. Love Me.

I will be doing event summaries for each, but those will take a bit, but atleast you can now figure which ones to read and in what order :|

Arikana 12-08-2012 03:27 AM

*lavishes lots of love upon Nexy* <3

MERCI BEAUCOUP, NEXY. (THANK YOU, NEXY in French.) <3

Nexess 12-08-2012 03:38 AM

o3o Ulti helped me to, Ulti moved all the things from the past Celeb's to the subforums I had made for the story <3 LUFFLES FOR ULTI!

Arikana 12-08-2012 03:44 AM

*lavishes a plethora of love upon Ulti as well* <3

Illusion 12-08-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexess (Post 1448143)
There is 57 scenes from the old events. All of with have been chaptered and put in the storybook :| YOUR WELCOME! I SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF MY LIFE MAKING IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THIS BEAST OF A STORY. Love Me.

I will be doing event summaries for each, but those will take a bit, but atleast you can now figure which ones to read and in what order :|

XDDD A good portion of life? Or you just decided to not be the lazy one and be the bigger person and actually do it?

Thanks Nexess! :D

Arikana 12-08-2012 02:38 PM

=w=
Dude, Nexy is NOT lazy. She does so damn much for Tris, you don't even know, man.

Quiet Man Cometh 12-08-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestrade (Post 1448126)
There are definitely a TON of characters when they're all dumped on you at once. When reading a novel generally only a few characters are introduced at a time. If too many are introduced at once it's really overwhelming and hard to follow.

Also I tend to read novels with fairly small casts, I guess. When I think about the last few novels I read, which was basically the complete works of E.M. Forster, they were basically all slice-of-life stories with only a handful of main characters and a small supporting cast. But it's honestly moot; the number of characters in a novel alone doesn't mean anything, it's how they're used. Personally, when I try to read just this event, I'm left confused because there are a ton of people and I can't keep them straight at all. They also all have pretty weird names that I don't find very easy to remember.

I mean, obviously that's just my opinion and you guys are certainly under no obligation to just please me. I'm just trying to explain why I feel the way I do.

Short answer, as Sheol said, really newcomers are jumping into the middle of a story. Start a novel in the middle and you will probably have the same problems.

Sightly longer answer, I understand where you're coming from Lestrade, but we simply can't re-introduce every character in each event for the newcomers who are always coming because we often has limited time to work through it as it is.

We do understand the problem and are working on means to fix it or to at least make it easier as we address each issue. Nexess and Ultima have already taken the time to sort the event scenes to that they can be read in order without having to fish for them.

This current event story could be seen to include material from four previous event lines that have now crossed. It's a natural story progression, but one that is hard to grasp without background when you're jumping right in. We will make it easier but a lot of back material to read also means a lot of back material to organize and sort. It's just going to take time.

Quiet Man Cometh 12-08-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arikana (Post 1448382)
=w=
Dude, Nexy is NOT lazy. She does so damn much for Tris, you don't even know, man.

No kidding.

Arikana 12-08-2012 04:32 PM

Yo, Quiet, you've posted your 'short' and 'slightly longer' answers, but where's the actual 'long' and/or 'really long' ones? :P

Quiet Man Cometh 12-08-2012 04:38 PM

I think everything that would be said in the long and really has already been said or doesn't need to be said yet.

Arikana 12-08-2012 05:59 PM

Aw, and I was so looking forward to seeing them just cause of how long I was expecting them to be. XD

But yeah, I know they're not needed yet, I just like poking fun at stuff. :P

Kali_Namir 12-08-2012 07:48 PM

YAYS!!! I'll read the entirety of the story during winter break!!!

Fauxreal 12-08-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Man Cometh (Post 1447975)
Short answer Faux, we're already on it. ;). Can't get this stuff done over night though. As said, there's a lot of it.

Thank you so much, I look forward to this. <3 You guys do a freaking brilliant job on this site. I love the events. I love that you have great stories behind everything. I adore the items. The site admins live in a world of fabulousness in my eyes. I freaking love this place and I wish I had more time to be online here. <3<3<3<3

Keep up the GREAT work!!!! <3

Nexess 12-09-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illusion (Post 1448341)
XDDD A good portion of life? Or you just decided to not be the lazy one and be the bigger person and actually do it?

Thanks Nexess! :D

@w@ We're just not gonna go into how much stuff i do and just say yes, yes I did.

Faux - @w@ I'M DOING THAT NOW, JUST FOR YOU <3

Lucid: 12-09-2012 11:10 PM

Nexxy, this storybook section is like MAGIC! *U* and summaries too! This is the best day ever!

@Everybody;; There's a lot of neat stuff not in the summaries, if you like character development. I do think it's worth it to read the summaries first and then, if you're interested in that particular story arc, read all the story threads. I think it would make it much less intimidating that way.

Nexess 12-09-2012 11:31 PM

I'm still writing the DoD and the transition summaries! They care coming! Promise!

o3o Thanks Lucid <3

Arikana 12-09-2012 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexess (Post 1449455)
@w@ We're just not gonna go into how much stuff i do and just say yes, yes I did.


Lol, we could. But we'd be here forever. XD

Fauxreal 12-10-2012 11:39 PM

For those that don't know, there is a lot that goes into an avatar site. IT may look like all sunshine - lollipops - and rainbows. But really you have to deal with coding, items, bots, trolls, spammers, not to mention this particular site has layering, and a story that goes well beyond any site I've been on. There is the events. Oh my goodness, planning for events is an event in itself. For freaking real.

I hope more people realize.

I love you guys here. <3

Fauxreal 12-10-2012 11:40 PM

For those that don't know, there is a lot that goes into an avatar site. IT may look like all sunshine - lollipops - and rainbows. But really you have to deal with coding, items, bots, trolls, spammers, not to mention this particular site has layering, and a story that goes well beyond any site I've been on. There is the events. Oh my goodness, planning for events is an event in itself. For freaking real.

I hope more people realize.

I love you guys here. <3

Arikana 12-11-2012 12:07 AM

Yes, yes it does take a lot of work. @_@ Faux knows for sure. :3


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