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Azrael 05-12-2011 07:14 PM

uuum, ~tari~tarishimasu
Oh god the modifying nouns thing. @_@ ~dies~
Difference between Hearsay (plain form+soudesu) and making inferences (adj drop I add soudesu)
Remembering te forms. FFF te forms. I hate them.
on going and resultant states te-form+imasu
And then the then the "make" and "become (naru and suru)

Ashurato 05-12-2011 07:22 PM

Let me get home since I'm currently on my phone right now and I'll help you.

Azrael 05-12-2011 07:25 PM

Sweet! XD Thank you <3

Ashurato 05-12-2011 09:25 PM

uuum, ~tari~tarishimasu
- Basically used when you're trying to say you're doing more than one thing.
学校で寝たり、習ったりします。
Gakkou de netari, narattari shimasu.
- You sleep and learn at school.

Oh god the modifying nouns thing. @_@ ~dies~

- Elaborate for me?

Difference between Hearsay (plain form+soudesu) and making inferences (adj drop I add soudesu)

- 先生がくるそうです。I heard the teacher is coming.
- 甘そうです。I heard it was sweet.
This should be pretty self-explanatory.

Remembering te forms. FFF te forms. I hate them.
on going and resultant states te-form+imasu

- Memorization is key. Other than the few irregular forms (like for する and くる, etc.), they all tend to follow the conjugation.

And then the then the "make" and "become (naru and suru)
- ~になる。- Will become. (Usually without outside interference.) The caterpillar will become a butterfly.
- ~にする。- Will make. (Usually with outside interference.) I will make the caterpillar become a butterfly.

Azrael 05-12-2011 09:29 PM

It's hard to elaborate on the modifying. Um, when I get home I'll post up the examples I have.

And mostly I know how to use the sentences and such, but it's just trying to remember the forms. >3<

shinkamalei 05-13-2011 11:19 AM

@az:
do you mean when you do like 日本に住んでいる人?
And I don't think we have learned the suru as make.
We just use tsukuru.
But looking at her notes, I think I get it.
But if you want, I can scan in our daily conjugation quizzes and send you it as a template for -te form practice.
We have te form, SF past, SF past neg, LF, SF, and SF past and what it means

Azrael 05-13-2011 01:42 PM

oh god if you could send me stuff to practice my te-form that would be amazing.

And that is exactly what I mean with the noun modifying, actually. XD

shinkamalei 05-14-2011 01:53 PM

its what our teacher told us - the same exact words for what to call it.

and ok! i will try to scan it on tuesday or monday.
we dont have school tuesday but i have a party tonight and monday so i may not be around early enough on tuesday.
I will have to erase my scores.. but yeah xDD

Azrael 05-14-2011 03:31 PM

>3< If you can't get it by tuesday don't bother (although thanks) cause my test is on Wednesday...

shinkamalei 05-14-2011 04:31 PM

then... well.. maybe i can type it out.
i just have to find one.
im leaving in 10 minutes but i think i can do it!
i want you to succeeeeeeeed!!! <3

Azrael 05-14-2011 08:55 PM

Awe, thank you! <3

Ashurato 05-15-2011 05:16 PM

Kanji Review : 1-20
 
I was going through my books from when I was tutoring someone in Japanese several years ago (for Az) and came upon this kanji book which lists 1,850 essential kanji characters. I can't scan the pages as the book is getting pretty old and I would really like to prevent damaging it, but I will provide the information to you guys in sets of 20.

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Kanji // ON-YOMI (Chinese reading) // kun-yomi (native Japanese reading) // English meaning

Note: Syllables in parentheses must be written in hiragana and are not included in the kanji.

Note 2: Syllables in [] are alternate readings for the kun-yomi.

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1 - 20


ICHI // hito(tsu) // one


NI // futa(tsu) // two


SAN // mi, mit(tsu) // three


SHI // yon, yo, yot(tsu) // four


GO // itsu(tsu) // five


ROKU // mut(tsu) // six


SHICHI // nana(tsu) // seven


HACHI // yat(tsu) // eight


KU, KYUU // kokono(tsu) // nine


JUU // too // ten


NICHI, JITSU // hi [bi] // day, sun
Note: ~ka, suffix for counting days (一日、二日、etc.)


GETSU, GATSU // tsuki [zuki] // month, moon
Note: suffix for counting months (一月、二月、etc.)


KA // hi [bi] // fire


SUI // mizu // water


MOKU, BOKU // ki [gi] // tree, wood


KIN, KON // kane // gold, money


DO, TO // tsuchi // earth, soil


SA // hidari // left


YUU, U // migi // right


JOU
ue // top, above, on
kami // upper
nobo(ru) // to go up, to go toward (northern)
a(geru) // to raise
a(garu) // to rise

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 09:10 PM

wow nice!
this saves me from buying the kanji books ^^;

and we are doing the japanese thing on skype tonight yes?

@az:
sorry!
i put it online but not here! ><
http://www.mediafire.com/?stzw6d8g2in7527
http://www.mediafire.com/?kb4bjlbbf81xrze

one is a .doc
and another is .docx

Ashurato 05-15-2011 09:17 PM

Yush! We are as far as I know.

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 09:18 PM

ok. are we inviting people to this that want to learn?

Ashurato 05-15-2011 09:20 PM

I don't actually know how many people are going to be there.
From what I remember, only about three people said they may (and I don't even see DK online).

It may just be the two of us. XD

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 09:27 PM

I see DK but i don't see you. or do you mean ehre?

And well then I will see if anyone wants to come.

Ashurato 05-15-2011 09:35 PM

Ah, I meant Trisphee. Let me get on skype now.

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 09:38 PM

i see ya.

Azrael 05-15-2011 10:53 PM

random but I hope sensei does't ask anything about church cause I can never remember the word. XD

and thank you shink!

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 10:59 PM

no problem~
and church~
kyoukai~
think.. today + kai? xDDD

shinkamalei 05-15-2011 11:32 PM

http://www.mediafire.com/?4ngzhrux3m4n3nw

Azrael 05-16-2011 12:12 AM

haha, thanks. <3

And I just... well I'm not religious and I couldn't care less about church which is why I can never remember it. x.x'

Demonskid 05-16-2011 01:22 AM

*jots down the kanji list*

The numbers lost me... Though I know how to count in Japanese.. but when you said Chinese reading... I got lost X.x,

Ashurato 05-16-2011 01:26 AM

To put it simply, there are multiple ways to say a kanji depending on what other kanji it is joined with to make a word. *nods*

Ignore the idea that it is a "Chinese pronunciation" and just think of it this way.

Azrael 05-16-2011 01:28 AM

ah, I don't at all ignore the chinese reading cause A) it helps me remember and B) it helps me know which reading sometimes s well.

Azrael 05-16-2011 01:32 AM

SKJDF UE ;LJDF KL;J OMG I CAN MAKE NOTECARDS ON MY PHONE. IPHONE I LOVE YOU.

Ashurato 05-16-2011 01:33 AM

Oh, DK isn't supposed to ignore the Chinese readings. She just needs to put aside the fact that it is a considered a "Chinese" derived reading.

Demonskid 05-16-2011 01:46 AM

Ah ok.. gotcha xD

*shakes out hand before writing more into the notebook*

Ashurato 05-16-2011 01:50 AM

Sorry, I should have clarified. ^^

Azrael 05-16-2011 01:54 AM

XD I know. i was saying that I personally prefer to keep in mind that they ARE the chinese readings.

Demonskid 05-16-2011 01:59 AM

OH! I remembered something I wanted to ask... 83


I was reading through the Lyrics to the Vocaloid song Circle You Circle You.

The higarana to the title is: かこめかこめ

and from what I know the Romaji is : kakome kakome

so why do people call it kagome? 8x I've seen the song title Kagome Kagome instead of Kakome Kakome

Azrael 05-16-2011 02:06 AM

are they stupid? I mean, I'm being serious ._.'

or are you missing the little ten ten (") on the title? Or did they have a speck and think that there were some tentens?

Ashurato 05-16-2011 02:11 AM

I'm pretty sure that "Kagome" is referring to the name of a person. It sounds similar to "kakome" which is "to surround", so they probably used the name in a witty/cute sense.

Demonskid 05-16-2011 02:15 AM

well in the song they sing "Kagome Kagome, who is that standing behind you?" but for the most part they use Kakome kakome.. um.. lemme find the lyrics.


Here's the chorus:

kakome kakome
nigerarenu you ni
kakome kakome
nani shite asobu no?
yoake no ban ni
nakama ni nareru ne!
kagome kagome
"Ushiro no shoumen daare?"


so I don't understand.. if the song is Circle you Circle you.. why are they calling it kagome instead of kakome xD

or is the song title really supposed to be the name of the game Kagome Kagome

Ashurato 05-16-2011 02:18 AM

Ah, now I understand. Should have looked up the lyrics first.
This should help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagome_Kagome

Demonskid 05-16-2011 02:20 AM

xD I'm looking at that now.

Demonskid 05-16-2011 02:35 AM

Ok.. I think the title of the song is Kakome Kakome

they are singing about the children of an abandoned orphanage that were experimented on or something. and in the orphanage the children played Kagome Kagome.

So when someone enters the orphanage, the spirits of the children want to play that game.

So people probably think they are singing about the game, but they are really singing about the children playing the game, and the adults that used the game to kill the children. :3

at least.. thats what I can understand of it.

shinkamalei 05-16-2011 01:44 PM

@az:
same.
its prolly why i had a hard time too.
but if u see the kanji, i think its easier to remember.
it is literally teach meet xDDD

@dk:
that is such a sad song!! TAT

@ash:
hey i have a question.
previously i had learned ~んです and was kind of told it was meant to be like a way of explaining.
And Sensei told the class this morning that it was that but also kind of way of continuing the conversation/comparing two things by showing what they do differently.
Like...サムさんは7時に起きるんです。猫は8時に起きるんです。
The japanese students have told me that some girls use it to be cute like if you are talking to a boy you like.
Kind of like when you say たべたいの?~
Obviously its casual speak but I am curious as to how you would explain んです。
Sensei also said that even though it explains its like.. Well say that you come late to class and the teacher asks you why and you say バスを来ませんでした。
The teacher may say back to you "so what?"
So saying バスを来なかったんです Kind of gives more of the impression that that's why.
Though she did say you could say バスを来ませんでしたから。
But she said んです Is used more often in conversation.

Azrael 05-16-2011 04:37 PM

From what /I/ was told, ~んです is used to kind of explain yourself. Like "the reason I'm~" or "That's why I~" or something. I didn't at all get it until sensei was halfway through the lesson. XD

Or you could ask a question with ~んです and it's sort of implying that you're curious or you want to know. like "Why are you..." or "are you..."


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