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nickjr 01-26-2016 03:23 AM

It did take forever to get Hera-Is and Hades both max skill haha I basically ignored everything else to farm Hera Descended orz this was back when I was completely okay with not clearing new dungeons xD

My XQ team's damage ceiling is pretty low since it's not row-based (and I suck at rows anyway), so the gravity would really help lol and I don't trust my damage output in my Ronia team when I'm bursting xD (2 fire rows and 7 dark rows, not counting friend) If I get a little unlucky, then Ronia + Lu Bu alone can't wipe Zeus in King of the Gods, but I've never failed a KotG run when using Hades on Zeus except when I'm not paying attention haha even when I get a fire-heavy board -noms-


TAMADROUGHT IS REAL

Demonskid 01-26-2016 01:26 PM

Illu: im saving my second okuni for its new evo.. when ever it comes out ouo i gotta awaken ra and yomi

ml1201 01-26-2016 05:58 PM

I got X from the directors' choice thing, Yellow Grimoire Ars Nova, she has a good leader ability, and she gets a nice one for light/fire types as well when she evolves. She's also easy to level her skill up too.

Coda 01-26-2016 06:21 PM

FWIW: Row enhances are nearly worthless until you have at least four of them. Otherwise, you get more single-target damage output from doing a combo of two 3-matches with the same six orbs. (As a minor quirk of the math, with three row enhances, two rows is stronger than four 3-matches.)

Obviously if you NEED a mass attack, a row is going to be better than two 3-matches because you're hitting multiple targets with it, and that's true even with NO row enhances.

ml1201 01-26-2016 07:07 PM

You know what, I didn't even look at what her skill was, just leader ability. .-.

Illusion 01-26-2016 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coda (Post 1688953)
FWIW: Row enhances are nearly worthless until you have at least four of them. Otherwise, you get more single-target damage output from doing a combo of two 3-matches with the same six orbs. (As a minor quirk of the math, with three row enhances, two rows is stronger than four 3-matches.)

Obviously if you NEED a mass attack, a row is going to be better than two 3-matches because you're hitting multiple targets with it, and that's true even with NO row enhances.

Raphael has 5 light rows and is still not OP.

I rather have two-prongs then rows. Row teams are so heavily nerfed with leader skills, and 2-prongs benefit because of combo leaders.

Coda 01-26-2016 08:58 PM

Rows have good synergy with a lot of actives, though. A single TPA monster will shine over a team, but row enhances buff everyone. Yes, all things considered equal, a TPA is a stronger awakening than a row enhance, but it's a lot easier to stack lots of rows -- a team with six TPAs and a team with six rows is putting out roughly equivalent damage output (though admittedly the TPAs are using less orbs doing so) but six rows is considered low.

Also, there are plenty of row-friendly leader skills, especially row+orb enhance leaders.

nickjr 01-27-2016 08:09 AM

Haha yeah, usually I'm too lazy to try to makes 3-orb matches for fire xD but it turns out okay most of the time anyway lol

Rows are definitely making a comeback now! You used to need 2 rows of orbs to feel like you're doing damage since a lot of teams usually had 7-9 rows. But then we got a bunch of double row monsters... and now we're getting a bunch of triple row monsters! Stacking rows has suddenly become really easy for those who have a lot of REM mons.

But man, the way the Archdemons came back... *O*

Raphael's 5 rows are great. I think they decided to give him 5 rows because they felt his active would negate the awesomeness of 5 rows (and because when you use him as a leader--yeah maybe no). Even though they buffed it to have 2 turns of damage voided.

Poor Ganesha...

Raphael also has giant waffle cubes. Raphael most OP mon 11/10. Your argument is invalid.

jk

Coda 01-27-2016 11:45 AM

Raphael as a leader is something of a niche use, but I wouldn't say his row enhances are wasted in that role; I mean, if you're taking the lower ATK multiplier in exchange for survivability, you need whatever you can get to make up for it, right?

Demonskid 01-27-2016 03:29 PM

-pets tpa mons- precious bodin ouo

Close to my awoken ra x3

Next will be yomi... rip tengu ono

nickjr 01-27-2016 07:16 PM

Yeah, rows help teams with low attack multipliers to deal good damage nomnom

Those Dragonbound/Awoken Norse 2/6.25/2.5 pairings are kinda scary haha it's like the 2/4/2 teams of 2014 called and said they wanted their spot of glory back!

TPAs are fun. But I'm more used to making rows after using an active skill xD I would love to run a hybrid row/TPA team, which is entirely doable while still putting out good damage today; TPAs on non-important floors, rows on minibosses and bosses. Then I wouldn't have to worry much about my actives because I would be able to save most of them for boss bursts. But nope, my box and my lack of willingness to change some of my old uvo pantheon mons into their awoken forms won't let me build a team like that haha

Coda 01-27-2016 10:11 PM

2/6.25/2.5 is my devil team -- Beelzebub + Ronia. Until I built my Dark Izanami team it was my go-to "I don't know what this dungeon is going to throw at me" team.

Now my Dark Izanami team just has so much damage output that nothing else really matters. @.@

ml1201 01-27-2016 11:19 PM

I think Nickjr find her niche here. o.o;

Coda 01-27-2016 11:31 PM

Truth be told, while I defend rows in discussion here, my teams are almost all TPA-focused. ^^() I have ONE row team (the aforementioned Keeper of Gold farming team) and it's barely a row team at all (I think it only has four?).

Meanwhile the only non-TPA on my devil team is Ronia (ally leader, though the team has enough dark rows to make Ronia's active worth it, and if I don't get too many dark orbs from it I can pop two rows and a TPA on the active... *Tim Taylor grunt*) and Lilith (who's there for her active and RCV anyway), and my entire dragon team has at least one if not two TPAs each (except for ally leader depending on who I can field for it), and so on.

Illusion 01-28-2016 12:35 AM

Ronia is so 2014.

Shiva Dra is now the go to farming monster. I can easily wipe every general dungeon and most descends with him. Once I egg and skill up the team I will be pretty much set until they up the end game even more.

I need to start thinking about my end game arena team possibilities though.

nickjr 01-28-2016 12:47 AM

Niche? What niche? If anything, I feel like I'm butting heads with people in here LOL awkward

For some reason, I can't stand playing Ronia/Beelzebub teams. I'm not sure why. Maybe I just don't have enough rows on my end or something lol I don't mind Ronia/Lu Bu, though :P

Shivadra... There's a Shivadra user in here... O.O

I'm probably not gonna get any of the MP dragons for a long time lol but that's okay with me :P still got a lot of midgame stuff to clear and I still have to improve my comboing skills haha


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