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Lucid: 05-03-2011 01:33 AM

it was. I was really bad at it though. XD I was always better at grammar than vocab.

Demonskid 05-03-2011 01:37 AM

I'll probably be better at vocab.. grammar fails D:

Lucid: 05-03-2011 01:39 AM

Japanese grammar is easier than English grammar. :3

Demonskid 05-03-2011 01:45 AM

I hope so >< I fail at english grammar

Lucid: 05-03-2011 02:01 AM

nah, you're.....okayish at English grammar. 8D
<3
you're better than many internet-dwellers, at any rate.

Demonskid 05-03-2011 02:04 AM

._. *remembers one fanfic on AFF.net and shivers* I guess I'm okish

Azrael 05-03-2011 02:16 AM

just a hint with kanji I guess. While it's always good to know the most common pronunciations, don't forget to learn the lesser-used ones as well. And never forget to learn the chinese readings along with the Japanese readings.

For anyone with an iPhone/iPod touch then you should get the app "Kanji" it's orange and... just is named kanji. Anyway you can make lists and then push the study button and it works just like flash cards >3<' I love it.

Demonskid 05-03-2011 02:33 AM

D: i need a ipod touch.. or a smart phone... or something ><

Azrael 05-04-2011 02:25 AM

well flashcards work just as well s'long as you have all the readings still, but the app is just more convenient for me. XD

shinkamalei 05-09-2011 11:46 PM

Oh so sorry for not being here! I think it's long overdue for another little lesson no? (fyi the quiz-type item - the first link - I will post up is a review on the old and a practice of using adjectives and this will also include translating (do not worry - in both hiragana and romaji))

So for today's lesson we will be showing how to say it isn't, was, and wasn't (using desu). AND IT WILL BE LONG FORM! aka formal.


THIS IS USING NOUNS FOR B!! BIG NOTE - IF USING I-ADJECTIVES IT CHANGES!! THIS WILL BE COVERED IN THE NEXT INSTALLMENT!

Pt 1!!! - Past Affirmative (aka past tense)
PrAf: AはBです。 A wa B desu. (present affirmative AKA present tense)
PaAf: AはBでした。 A wa B deshita. (Past affirmative)

You see what I changed? The ending.. Well for the sake of this I will call it a 'verb' even though it really isn't, Changed~ So to make a regular sentence past you change it from です(desu) To でした(deshita)。

Pt2!!! - Present Negative (aka negative)
PrAf: AはBです。A wa B desu.
PrNe: AはBじゃないです。 A wa B ja nai desu.
PrNe2: AはBじゃありません。 A wa B ja arimasen.

In order to change a positive simple sentence to negative you simply add じゃない(ja nai) after the noun in position B. If you put it where A is (before the は)not only does it sound funny but it isn't correct either.

Option 2: In this option you change the です(desu) to あります(arimasu). That is the verb to be (inanimate objects) and to have (not the same as to own though). And then we change the あります(arimasu) to ありません(arimasen). This will make it negative. You also make sure there is a じゃ(ja) following the noun.

Pt3!!! - Past Negative (no aka)
PrAf: AはBです。 A wa B desu.
PaNe: AはBじゃなかったです。 A wa B ja nakatta desu.
PaNe2: AはBじゃありませんでした。 A wa B ja arimasen deshita.

So ask you can see the じゃない (ja nai) became じゃなかった(ja nakatta)。 Do you see the difference? If not, the ending い(i) of the じゃない(ja nai) became かった(katta). Now that is using the first option as shown in pt 2 as well.

Option 2: We take the じゃありません(ja arimasen) and combine it with the past affirmative that was shown in part 1. So you take present negative + past affirmative and you get past negative!

For you ease this is how it lines up using the example This is paper (And all of it subsequent forms)


これはかみです。 Kore wa kami desu.
This is paper.
これはかみでした。 Kore wa kami deshita.
This was paper.
これはかみじゃないです・これはかみじゃありません。 Kore wa kami ja nai desu/ja arimasen.
This is not paper.
これはかみじゃなかったです・これはかみじゃありませんでした。 Kore wa ja nakatta desu/ja arimasen deshita.
This was not paper.

EDIT: So I will post up two things later tonight - 1 will be a homework type thing over this. The other will be a mini quiz of last weeks stuff. I will try to put doing this stuff weekly into my calendar ok? Then maybe we can get a weekly quiz (or daily if you want. We have 2 daily quizzes in my class) and a homework type thing that I do more often and it's a lot more simple. And maybe a monthly test?

Of course romaji, hiragana/romaji, and hiragana only would be available. What do you all think?

Ashurato 05-09-2011 11:56 PM

Shinkamalei-sensei!! Sugoku tanomoshii! <3

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 12:00 AM

>////< Thank you ashurato-san! ちょっと恥ずかしい~ (A little embarassing). But thanks. I think it's good to pass on good teachings and honestly I would be doing a lot wrong if not for my teacher, kazuko-sensei.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:02 AM

;w; you are so helpful <3 *reads*

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:04 AM

I think it's a wonderful thing you're doing, shinkamalei. I'm sure people like DK *stares at the hungry-wolf expression on DK's face* really appreciate it.

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 12:09 AM

you're welcome DK. I check back here everyday but just briefly (check for new comments and/or msgs). If you have any questions - you can PM me. Or anyone else. <3 I will soon be graduating 1st year japanese and I get to be my teacher's TA <3333 Which is a first at my college!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /excited

@ashurato:
lol well I hope I am really able to help. All the information that is taught to me by the international students, all my own blunders, and all the things my teacher has taught me I will try to pass on. <3 And if I make a mistake - please feel free to correct me. ^^;

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:14 AM

Will do~ If either of you get stuck on something, just feel free to ask.
Also, are these "lesson" posts being archived? *checks the front page*

Yep, good job!

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:16 AM

I wish my printer had ink D8 I am gonna take my kana cards and note book to the surgery center tomorrow/today and practice my higarana.. I'm on the s's.. sa shi su se so

I got;
a i u e o ka ki ku ke ko

down.. .. one step at a time *^*

Once I get enough characters memorized I tend to write small words that are available so far :3


Ashu - theys important and I needs them up there or I'll never see them again xD

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 12:22 AM

Good job!!
And that's a smart way to go.
FYI, the times I forget my hiragana/katakana order (i do timed trials on occasions) I say this to myself:

A
Kitty
Saw
The
Nasty
House
Mouse
Yelling
Really
Weird
Noises

xDDD
Each hiragana has a little story to go along with it and that's how I learned it best.
It's actually what has helped me memorize the kanji for milk! <33

oh and here's the first one:
http://www.mediafire.com/?x418fdot9ia1j6n .doc
http://www.mediafire.com/?h1dacv7decpi16m .docx

@ashurato:
I shall! And you would be able to explain things to me right? There is one thing I do have a question on but I have class when my teacher has her office hours.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:24 AM

thats what we did for math! 8D

Please
Excuse
My
Dear
Aunt
Sally

x'D *grabs note books and writes this down* OwO

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:26 AM

@ shinka - yup! i'll try my best. i've just never explained specific japanese language mechanics in english before, but i'll try.

And that's an interesting way to remember the order!

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:31 AM

tests added to the front! :3 *downloads one*

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 12:37 AM

@DK:
lololol WE LEARNED THAT SAME ONE!!!
so much fun!

@ashurato:
So for my class, we are required to have pen pals in tokyo women's university.
We got out letters recently and I had one of my japanese friends help me out on a sentence. It is:

フォーが何であるかを知っていますか?

My question is why would they tell me to use the 何であるか?
I know I am asking do you know what pho is.
And I can dissect is so I see the あります but I don't see why there is a か after is.
I know 何 is what and 何で can be why or another way of saying "what" correct?

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:46 AM

I have a question! *^*

In kana writings on some stuff.. um.. its best I show you a pic cause I donno how to explain it other then it looks like a line.. and from what I seen it's to tell you to hold out a sound.

I took notice of this thing when trying to translate the candy box I gotten (and kept)

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_...jpg?1173282454

チヨコレト
there is supposed to be that line in there to hold out re I think.. I can't seem to figure out how to make it ><

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shinkamalei (Post 651174)
I know 何 is what and 何で can be why or another way of saying "what" correct?

This. You're pretty much saying "do you know what pho is/consists of"?
Another way of putting it is:

フォーという料理の材料が知っていますか?

@DK - You mean typing it out? I just use the dash key. And the ヨ next to the チ is small: チョコレート。

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:53 AM

how do you get it to be small? o.O

and its just the dash sign? i see ._. *feels stupid*

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:55 AM

Type in "cho". It should be automatic.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:57 AM

チョ

o.o Ahhhh! I see! okay x3 I gots it now. :3

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 12:58 AM

yeah it's the dash key
and what do you think about doing a speaking thing?
Like listening practice?
That's the only thing I DON'T have from my japanese class and it really sucks.
But there's only so much one can do in an hour.

also if you want it to be small you can put an h or an l before it and it should go.
like my name メロディー won't work if I simply put di. It is mean to me like that.

@ashurato:
ohhhh. I think i understand it better now. Thank you~ <3

Ashurato 05-10-2011 12:59 AM

Hee hee~ Glad to be of help.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 12:59 AM

if you have skype sure! :3 we should make a schedual for it so others know. x3

Ashurato 05-10-2011 01:03 AM

Speaking thing? Sure, just tell me when (preferably on the weekend on after 7 pm PST).

Demonskid 05-10-2011 01:04 AM

weekends would be good :3 more people could join in

Ashurato 05-10-2011 01:05 AM

Oh boy. Did I suddenly find myself with a Trisphee online class to teach?

Demonskid 05-10-2011 01:07 AM

xD I dunno.. who is the teacher? >w<

Ashurato 05-10-2011 01:08 AM

*makes like a Japanese person and ninjas out of here*

But kidding, I'd be glad to help you guys.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 01:10 AM

I think the voice lessons would actually help me best x3 with hearing and visuals I learn the best I think

shinkamalei 05-10-2011 01:12 AM

Awesome~
and I got a little lost but I have skype.
same name as my username here.
and we could do a LS out of this.
/shrugs/ what about sundays?
and I am in PST also! <3
DK?

Ashurato 05-10-2011 01:12 AM

Sundays would be perfect, actually.
My handle is ashurato47 for skype.

Demonskid 05-10-2011 01:14 AM

I don't know my timezone ^^, I just know its 1AM here xD

I'm free almost 24/7 :3 for this week I might have to wonder off every once in a while cause of moms foot surgery but I'll still be able to do it

*adds you to skypes*

mine is demons-kid =w=

Ashurato 05-10-2011 01:14 AM

Sounds like you're EST, DK. We're three hours behind.


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