Exactly. Except she's trying to prepare us for the kanji kentei (is that what it is?) exam, and... yeah they don't have only sentence structures we know. x.x' But it doesn't help us actual learn the usage and vocab of the words/kanji any since we can't quite understand what's being said in the first place.

And... well, it's more of an 'attempting to sound Japanese' accent. Like I said, he lived there two years. He just kinda... fails at the accent x.x'

And Shink, learn all the readings, yes, but I'd also learn probably some of the more common words or whatever made with some of them. Obviously not all of those, but maybe a couple, especially the ones with more readings. It's harder to memorize but it'll be more helpful with narrowing down which reading goes to which word then I'd think. >3<

booya! Studying totally pays off and I no longer hate kanji quite as much. Still sort of a pain, but... like, I got an A on my kanji quiz and I realized that it's not so hard to study. A lot of memorization and I'm not too horrid at that. >3<' So ya. I'm excited.

Someone should type me up a kanji list to study over the summer ^_~

Has anyone tried Heisig's, Remember the Kanji book? I've been thinking about asking for it for my birthday, but I'm not sure. Is it helpful?

And I know a guy who acts like he knows so much Japanese, but really he doesn't. He just knows a few advanced kanji. Yet, my vocabulary is bigger (it's not even that great!) and I can put together sentences easier. Still, he acts like he knows so much! And my japanese friend says his accent is so American. xD

I have no idea what the kentei is. I myself am preparing for JLPT level 3 hopefully at the end of this year. I only am college level 100 though... which is like level 5 barely. But since I saw you got an A, I think you probably have nothing to worry about. Sorry this took so long. I had a huge like.. 5 paragraph response and then my comp closed it =A= so I got discouraged. Anyways, CONGRATULATIONS! =D

And well then he is stupid. lol

Well that is why it is good to have kanji books. They often give you a couple common ones. Plus I also have JLPT and a several other apps on my ipod now that have tons of kanji and common readings. Plus common vocabulary.

And maybe we should do a weekly 5 kanji?

@sushi:
I have never heard of heisig's. I personally like http://www.amazon.com/Kanji-Pict-Gra...f=cm_lmf_tit_4
and then one I can't find on amazon. But I currently own one that is both a practice book and a vocabulary book.

And those kinds of guys are not respected. And that's also when you put him in his place and speak in japanese to him. Even if yours is rusty and it's slow. He won't understand and it will make him a fool. I personally think people who are learning you don't do it too but if people get a high and mighty attitude about it when they really don't know anything, teach em a lesson. Once. No need do it again because then a) you look like a douchebag and b) they already know that you can prove them wrong. So they will probably avoid you.

So, I thought I would post up a little about particles before I post up my newest document.

First particle that I think is one of the most important (I will only do 3 at this moment) is....

は Pronounced 'wa' when used as a particle, 'ha' in normal usage.

This is the subject particle. There is also a topic particle but I will touch on that a little later. は is used when you want something to be the subject. IE これは本です。 Kore wa hon desu. これ is the subject and 本です is the predicate. です (desu) is most similar to the "is/are" in the english language. There are other ways of saying "is/are" but again - it will be touched on later. For now, we will focus on using は in the "X is Y" sentence structure.

So if you want to say "This is a fish." What would you say? さかな is fish fyi - pronounced sakana.



I can't spend too much time on this but you can replace kore with sore or are. Two things to note though: 1- sore is closer to the other person you are speaking to while are is kind of distant from both of you, 2- kore/sore/are is not used for humans. You use kono/sono/ano - same meanings (this, that, that over there) but different usage.

Next particle that is really important is particle の (No). This is the possessive particle. In other words, if you put this after a noun (let's go with Aki-san) and before another noun (we will go with inu - dog) it would become Aki-san no inu - Aki's dog OR Dog of Aki. Do you get it? If not, here is another example. Why don't we use ourselves?

So I would want to say My T-shirt is... I would use Watashi (Me/I) no T-Shatsu (T-shirt) wa....

So practice! How would you say "This is Ann's hat."



Finally, we have を pronounced 'o' but written wo and found in the 'w' line on the hiragana chart. This is the object particle, used for verbs. It's not the only one that can be attached with verbs - you can pretty much use all of them once you know how. But in the beginning we will begin with this particle. The first verb I will teach you is します (shimasu) which means to do. It's probably one of the most common verbs in my opinion due to how often it appears. Anyways, as said before it is the object particle which if you can't guess is connected with objects and verbs that use the object particle (there are some that do not such as norimasu [to ride] and many others). So what we will practice here is the basic use of を and します.

Example: I will do homework. わたしはしゅくだいをします。　わたし-I は-Subj Particle　しゅくだい-homework を-object particle　します-do

For all intensive purposes we will start our sentences with watashi wa and ____-san wa for now. Long Form Present Affirmative (or what a lot of people that I have learned from call the "-masu" form) can also be used for future tense or saying "Aki eats sushi." [On a side note, we used Aki because we can write it in hiragana in the beginning of the class] We use that sentence as an example a lot in my Japanese class because it is the first one we learn since it is super easy and is a very easy example for later forms of the verbs. But since I have yet to teach you the verb for eat (and if you know it, please bear with me for now) we will go with "Aki does soccer."

あきさんはさっかあをします。（It is really サッカー but it is katakana)
aki-san wa sakkaa wo shimasu.
Aki does soccer. (proper english)----> Aki plays soccer.*

*There is another verb - asobimasu. Asobimasu means to play. But in English, we often use play for things like sports or instruments or certain other actions. Asobimasu does not cover those. It covers more of video games and other types of games. For sports it's "to do", instruments depend on the kind you play, and like playing dress up I don't know... I would think some type of "dressing/wearing".

Now time for you to try!

Do the sentence: Aki will do my homework.



That's it! =D
I will be posting the new document for practice in the next couple days! =D

Thanks! I find this small lesson helpful ^-^ I'm gonna post a link up front to this post :3

Helpful things for the particles would definately be tofugus particle cheat guide. Doesn't have them all, but has the basic. Really helpful and makes things simple. And @Shi: Yeah, I only put him in his place once. No need for any more times. lol. He was shocked!

Particles, fuck them. I hate them so much. XD More than kanji. I'm starting to enjoy kanji now that I know I can remember them now. <3 I'm really happy about this.

But I agree, a weekly 5 or so kanji would be good. But if they're pairs (like say the first week you do numbers, just do 1-10 cause they're so easy) then maybe a couple more.

Anyway's, I am serious about anyone wanting to come up with a kanji list for me. XD

@sushi:
good job! =D
I wonder what went through his mind at that time. lol

@az:
well you should list what kanji you do know. Then we can prepare ones for you to study.

@demon:
I am glad!
Hopefully I can get more up. And I have japanese homework tonight so I will have to wait til tomorrow to post up the new doc.

AAAA!!!
SORRY!
I totally forgot to post.
First things first - here is the link:　
（。Doc）http://www.mediafire.com/?722xkspxbqu78a8
（。Docx)http://www.mediafire.com/?j8dwfxv7ea2p7bk

I just had my kanji, grammar (using perfect tense and whatnot, bleh) and letter writing over the past couple days in japanese.
I aced them but I need to get away xD

ANYWAYS, I thought I would give some vocabulary that will be on the sheet and a little others.　（BTW, I won't be going into the different ways to pronounce the Onyomi and Kunyomi)

Nouns:
Cat　猫　ねこ　Neko
Dog　犬　いぬ　Inu
House　家　いえ・うち　Ie/Uchi
Street　道　みち　Michi
Town　町　まち　Machi
Village　村　むら　Mura
State　州　しゅう　Shuu
Country　国　くに　Kuni
River　川　かわ　Kawa
Mountain　山　やま　Yama
School　学校　がっこう　Gakkou
Elementary School　小学校　しょうがっこう　Shougakkou
Middle School　中学　ちゅうがく　Chuugaku
High School　高校　こうこう　Koukou
College　大学　だいがく　Daigaku
Bus　バス　（ばす）　Basu
Bus Stop　バスてい　（ばすてい）　Basutei
Taxi　タクシー　（たくしい）　Takushii
Homework　宿題　しゅくだい　Shukudai
Class　授業　じゅぎょう　Jyugyou
Class(room)　教室　きょうしつ　Kyoushitsu
Soccer　サッカ　（さっか）　Sakka
Sushi　寿司　（すし）　Sushi
Set Meal　定食　（ていしょく）　Teishoku
Breakfast　朝御飯　（あさごはん）　Asagohan
Morning　朝　（あさ）　Asa
Lunch　昼御飯　（ひるごはん）　Hirugohan
Noon/afternoon　昼　（ひる）　Hiru
Dinner　晩御飯　（ばんごはん）　Bangohan
Night　晩・夜　（ばん・よる）　Ban/Yoru
Milk 牛乳　（ぎゅうにゅう）　Gyuunyuu
Water　水　（みず）　Mizu
Tea　お茶　（おちゃ）　Ocha
Western Tea　紅茶　（こうちゃ）　Koucha
Coffee　コーヒー　（こおひい）　Koohii
Mom　お母さん　（おかあさん）　Okaasan
One's own mom　母　（はは）　Haha
Dad　お父さん　（おとうさん）　Otousan
One's own dad　父　（ちち）　Chichi
Big sister　お姉さん　（おねえさん）　Oneesan
One's own　Big Sister　姉　（あね）　Ane
Big brother　お兄さん　（おにいさん）　Oniisan
One's own　Big Brother　兄　（あに）　Ani
Little sister・One's own　Little sister　妹　（いもうと）　Imouto
Little brother・One's own　Little brother　弟　（おとうと）　Otouto
Siblings (boys only, boys and girls)　兄弟　（きょうだい）　Kyoudai
Siblings (girls only)　姉妹　（しまい）　Shimai

I-Adjectives: (these are conjugated differently than na-adjectives)
Cool Looking/Attractive　かっこいい　Kakko ii
Old (NOT PEOPLE)　ふるい　Furui
New　あたらしい　Atarashii
Interesting　おもしろい　Omoshiroi
Delicious　おいしい　Oishii
Bad Tasting　まずい　Mazui
Scary　こわい　Kowai
Expensive　たかい　Takai
Cheap　やすい　Yasui

When using i-adjectives,　You can place them right before a noun to describe it like　こわいねこ　（Kowai neko)　”Scary cat".　You can also use it right before ending a sentence... like following it with -desu.　Ie:　これはやすいです。　（Kore wa yasui desu。）　”This is cheap."　There is no change in it。

Na-adjectives:
Clean/Pretty きれい（な）　Kirei(na)
Impossible むり（な）　Muri(na)
Quiet しずか（な）　Shizuka（Na)

When using na-adjectives, you can end them in a sentence just like i-adjectives in that you would do:　わたしのへやはきれいです。　（Watashi no heya wa kirei desu.) ”My room is clean."　Notice that if you follow it with -desu you drop the "na". That is because you only have the "na" before a noun. So for example:　あのまちはしずかなまちです。　（Ano machi wa shizukana machi desu.） "That town over there is a quiet town. VS　あのまちはしずかです。　（Ano machi wa shizuka desu.) ”That town over there is quiet."

Verbs:　（These are separated into 3 categories: U verbs, Ru verbs, and irregular verbs)
Irregular
To do　（を）する　Suru
Long Form:します
To come　（に）くる　Kuru
LF：きます

U-Verbs
To go　（に・へ）いく　Iku
LF:いきます Ikimasu
To drink　（を）のむ　Nomu
LF:のみます Nomimasu
To stand　たつ　Tatsu
LF：たちます　Tachimasu
To sit　すわる　Suwaru
LF:すわります Suwarimasu

Ru-Verbs
To look　（を）みる　Miru
LF:みます Mimasu
To sleep　ねる　Neru
LF:ねます Nemasu
To eat　（を）たべる　Taberu
LF:たべます Tabemasu

..... I feel like I did really badly. I really need to get My Japanese coach out again. I feel like it tought me all this and I forgot it.

.... And I had to look at the list for a lot of the vocabulary x.x;;
Also I was unsure how I should be conjugating the verbs ... I'm so rusty v.v;;

@ultima:


So as I said in the spoiler (this is allowed to be said since it is not a spoiler for the hw)

"It's best to practice with Long Form at first because then from there it is much easier to conjugate verbs. Because there are many forms of the verbs that take the stem of the verb (whatever the verb is - masu). And then negative conjugation changes depending on the last character before the "masu" part. Another reason for using it is if you use short form to an elder it can be considered quite rude. And it can be anyone older. Or anyone above you in work also applies to that."

"I think using jyugyou is okay. But kyoushitsu can also be "class" but it's more of the actual room whereas jyugyou is more of like the lesson kind of class. I should have made a note about that above."

And I also changed school. It is supposed to be gakkou and I wrote down gaku instead which is incorrect to my knowledge. My bad~

dude, why is casual-speech SO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED than formal? Seriously x.x ~dies~

for me it isn't.
the way my teacher has taught us gives us a pattern to go by.
If you guys want, I can teach that as well when we get ot it.

I made a new friend last night, and she's in a Japanese class. she gave me a few websites from the company that made her textbook.

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/pr...ocab_main.html

The english version of the other site is being redone and will be up by the end of April; the Japanese version is: http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/

I hope these help.

@lucid:
lolololol that is the same one we use too.

woohoo! maybe you guys are in the same class! :O (though I'm sure there's tons and tons of classes that use the same book...)

lolol that would be really freaking weird.
so if she lives in washington - maybe

:O SHE DOES! She's going to Western! HOLY COW. that would be so cool if you knew each other. XD

>>;
im a tcc student but i will be going to UW.
but yeah... that is actually really freaky! xDDD

haha. small world. I wish I was at school in Washington. ;O; but it's a lot cheaper here in Utah. and they give me a better scholarship on top of that.

which school?
and washington is cool i guess.
but i couldn't go to school if i didn't have assistance from the state.

I'm at BYU. it's a church school, and there's a lot of things that bug me about that, but it's worth it. it's got a great advertising program and tuition is only around 2,200 a semester before scholarships and stuff.

yeah i know of BYU.
i went to a mormon church for a little bit when i was younger.
but i think most anyone knows of BYU lol
especially as in the past couple months its been in the news a couple times.

and that sounds expensive!
for me full time at my CC is around 1200
before fafsa and whatnot.

*dances around* I got kana cards ;w;

oh yay!! =DDD
where'd you get em from?

The easter bunneh!

xD Borders.. I got to pick out a japanese learning thing and a manga for easter <3

we've been in the news? :O what for? is it cool stuff?
university tuition averages like 30,000 a semester for out of state, though. @.@ so mine's dirt cheap for a four year school.

yay kana cards! ^.^ I downloaded a kana/kanji teaching app for my phone and I've been slowly learning katakana. I have all the hiragana memorized so it's easier to learn it from the hiragana than from scratch.

If there were something out there that I could download to my iPod or 3DS or PSP I would soo get it..

My Japanese Coach helps a bit .. but since I have a short attention span and no one to help me keep focus.. I find it easiest for me to take about one row of higarana at a time and write them out continuously until they are memorized.

I found a RAW scan of a manga (raw is where its not translated) and looked through it.. and in one frame I could READ that the dude was screaming! xD I was so happy with myself =w=

and another part I went through all my kana cards to figure out what it was saying x3 so happy <3

yay! I love when I can read things, even if it's something small.

Well it was the standards BYU holds their students to because there was some hubbub about people being kicked out of the school but it was over with quick.
and to be honest - that's ridiculous! =A=
I could never do that!
I'm far too broke.

@demonskid:
what kind of ipod do you have?
if you have a touch then you can get some.

and you should download anki! <3
i think its ankisrs.net
but you make your own flashcards and you choose when to review it.

xDDDD and keep going.
to be honest my japanese teachers tell me to begin watching anime and dramas in order to understand what they say.
She said for help manga is good as well.
And magazines.
Those are a lot harder though since they have a LOT of kanji.

I have iPod Video Gen 7 160GB.. I downloaded Podcasts that help teach Japanese x3

I needed Flash cards that aren't on the computer D: and I'm almost out of ink so print out flash cards are out too ><

ah dang.
Nevermind them.
Hrm... do you have a smartphone?

well that's smart.
Another thing you could always use is note cards and cut them in half

No smart phone either D: I wish! I'd be texting lucid, and fen, and chi and annie, and taiki and.. EVERYONE! x3

-.- the dude that gets me stuff refused to get me note cards.. it's why he got me the Kana cards *shrugs* not my money spent xD and they really seem to be helping.. :3

Inari would text me 589418679 times a day if she had a cell phone. XD

Curse being poor ;-;

@demon:
ohhhh i see! lol well texting is fun but its overrated for me xDDD i have FB and a phone so i call most people.
its easier for me to confirm stuff.

and i see!
well if its not skin off your back then awesome!!!
<3 i would buy it but im broke xD

@lucid:
ah i see!
i think you might not longer have time for anything else

Hehe I find it easy to use them to make little japanese words x3 like aki, ao, au,eki so on x3 it helps me with begining words.. and I printed out this test like thing from one of the websites on the front.. it helps a bit too.. I'm such a slow learner ><

one thing we did in my Japanese class was play Japanese Boggle. my teacher had a set of Boggle with kana taped over the english letters, and we had to make words out of whatever was rolled. the rules were a little more lax though, you could use any of the characters that were rolled, as many times as you needed it, together. I've never actually played regular English Boggle so I don't know the exact changes.

that sounds fun =o